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briankaldenberg
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Well last year he was a Junior at a football powerhouse so being a reserve there isn't like being a reserve in Iowa High School football. Maybe the kid is young for his grade and hasn't stopped growing? Or maybe we're just planting a seed there for future recruits.
IATrainMaster101
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"Austin Vincent, DeSoto (DeSoto, Texas) -- WR
Vincent is part of an ultra-talented wide receiving core at DeSoto and might sometimes be overshadowed by classmates Cameron White (TCU commit) and David Porter, but is a strong Division I prospect in his own right. The 6-foot, 171-pounder who caught 17 passes for 214 yards and two touchdowns last fall as a reserve, clocked a 4.22 shuttle and jumped 32.8 inches in the vertical on the way to a very solid 89.85 SPARQ Rating. Some of Vincent’s early favorites include TCU, Houston and Kansas State."
Any friend of Plez is a friend of mine!!!
"(Former Iowa cornerback) Plez Atkins is my best friend," DeSoto coach Claude Mathis said. "I know him, Damien Robinson, Kerry Cooks, all those Texas guys that were recruited those two years in the '90s to Iowa.
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All his measurements were from a an actual camp with electronic timing, meaning there accurate. The kid had 4 scholarship offers from BCS schools and didn't even start last year, obviously he showing something to someone. Iowa, Arizona, and Utah are some pretty decent schools.
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Don't get me wrong. I am looking forward to him joining the program and I do like that we are having some more success in Texas. I just had to question the "great athlete" comment, because that is not what the numbers suggest.
But, believe me, KF and staff have proven themselves with respect to identifying players that have the ability to develop into key contributors.
But, believe me, KF and staff have proven themselves with respect to identifying players that have the ability to develop into key contributors.
From the PC article it says his coach thinks there are 5 potential D1 receivers on team last season.. Tough competition.
Texas receiver commits to Iowa | hawkcentral.com | Hawk Central
Texas receiver commits to Iowa | hawkcentral.com | Hawk Central
I am sure there are. That place is a freaking factory. Hope the connection pays off. Well, better than the connections with a certain football factory in Ohio at least.
nationalchamps
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Maybe a future Safety?
homerHAWKeye777
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One of the problems with your original statement is that you referred to him as a reserve. As I recall, he's a kid who plays on a pass-happy spread team. That means that he's likely involved in a pretty active rotation on the high school squad. That is a far cry from just being a reserve.
By the way, Spievey was listed on recruiting sites as running 4.6 too ... and he turned out to actually be faster than that. Furthermore, Spievey also proved to be one heck of an athlete too.
HawkinGoferLand
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I strongly disagree, only because of the timing of the offer/commitment. Now if this were January, I could agree. But this very early in the recruiting game. You do not offer "projects" scholarships in June if you are Iowa or similar program.
Amari is a great example of what I am saying. His measurements coming in did not indicate that he was a "great athlete." That is why he was a 2 star recruit. Sorry, but 2 star guys are not the types you designate as great athletes before they get into the program.
I mean, really? A skinny 6 footer who runs a 4.6 and scored 2 TD's and not that many catches a great athlete? I mean Homer, you have more sense than that. We hope he develops into a great athlete, but the numbers don't say it yet, by any honest measure.
Or Avant. That dude came up with way too many timely catches. Basically a Hawk killer.
deanvogs
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Any player coming into D1 college football at WR or DB is an "athlete" no matter what way you cut it. Could he be better, and run .01 faster, and then you would like him more? Sure.
I like following recruiting like most on here do. Yet if you think you can evaluate how good a kid is by seeing the stats they have shown us, then you are delusional.
Soup and the coaches evaluated this kid, and offered him. I'll take his word, over your evaluation of him from his 40 time.....
I wish people would read through the thread before they jump into a discussion. It really helps to have a coherent discussion.
Here is a recap to help. First, people were curious about the numbers, because Iowa has been bringining in 4.5 and below guys at receiver. I said Soup must have seen something that doesn't show up in the numbers. Then someone called him a great athlete, which I thought was a hard claim to defend at this point, because of the numbers.
Now see how it might have helped if you took a second to read the thread?
Here is a recap to help. First, people were curious about the numbers, because Iowa has been bringining in 4.5 and below guys at receiver. I said Soup must have seen something that doesn't show up in the numbers. Then someone called him a great athlete, which I thought was a hard claim to defend at this point, because of the numbers.
Now see how it might have helped if you took a second to read the thread?
franstheman
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oh yeah and you left out how another poster showed you his numbers at a combine and proved you're wrong too.
Now see how it might have helped if you took a second to accurately portray the discussion?
Now see how it might have helped if you took a second to accurately portray the discussion?
deanvogs
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I read the thread CAAR, and I read many of your post. You seem to be able to miraculous judge these recruits based solely on a 40 time. Plus you are telling me a kid with a 4.6 time ISN'T an athlete, he has to run a 4.5 to be an athlete? I'm pretty sure Derby is an athlete, and he ran a 4.7. Plus these 40 times are a crock anyway. Shonne Greene didn't post great 40 times, all he does is outrun DB to the end zone though.....
IATrainMaster101
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I get what you are trying to say but, respectfully, I think you have this backwards. His smallish size does not take away from his athletic ability, nor does his lack of catches and TDs. His numbers at the combines suggest that he is a stellar athlete. His weight and lack of TD's indicate that perhaps he needs to develop physically and fundamentally.
This is how I see it. Very good athlete, room to grow, needs to develop, comes from a football factory in a hotbed of talent.
Um, did you see anywhere in that post that said anything about a 40 time? I see a shuttle score, which is not a top score, a vertical jump, which is 8 inches under the top receiver, and a SPARC score, which is over 30 points below the top receiver. Also, why do you think there is no 40 time?
So, how exactly does this prove I am wrong?
Also, I am curious as to the way people have changed the original comment I made about questioning another post saying he was a "great athlete" to now change that to me saying he is not an "athlete." There is a huge difference.
The qualifier "great" is meaningful. I am not saying he is not an "athlete." I am saying his numbers don't indicate "great" at this point.
PLEASE! Somebody show me somewhere where his numbers, production, anything, indicate a "great" athlete.
Rather, what we see is an indication of a strong D-1 prospect, which is what his own freaking coach says! Do you know more than his coach?
Get off it people. It really is okay to take an objective view based on immediately available data. That does not mean more data might not become available, or that a player might not develop physically. It just means it is what we have to go by now. And what we have to go by now does not indicate he is a "great" athlete.
