Cokers response leads one to believe

[imported_ankle23]

On kind of a side note, I'm wondering if Coker lived in a dorm or private housing because I believe there's more of a chance for this kind of thing happening in private housing.

I'm for athletes staying in dorms for the entirety of their stay at Iowa.
I'm for roomates being held 'liable' for other roomates' behavior in the athletic dorm.

Why was Coker allowed to be alone with a girl at 4AM?

Why did Coker quit the team even though the prosecution didn't want to pursue the case? Were there additional team conflicts with Coker that arose from the incident (other than the 1 game suspension of the bowl game)?
It sure looks like there were additional Coker conflicts with the team that arose from the incident.

his address has been in articles on this subject in the past couple days. iowa avenue is a private address.

as far as being 'allowed' to be with a coed at 4 a.m. i think you might be in for a surprise as to what kind of behavior happens in the dorms, and how rude roommates can be regarding 'activity' that happens in dorm rooms, regardless of the roommates thoughts or wishes......

 

[HomerChampless]

Sincerely,

This guy.

theboat;675871]

He kinda looks like Jon.

Make this a fair comparison.

 

[HomerChampless]

If an athlete roomate can, for example, loose their scholly if they don't try to deter 'lurid' (prosecutable) behavior of another athlete roomate, maybe they'll try to prevent said behavior.

Since some Iowa players aren't going to play as a team - and I specifically mean the quitting of the team by certain players,
make the former paragraph a part of the code of conduct for Iowa athletes.

 

[PCHawk]

Not to sound like an a-hole or soft on rape, but I think this number is ginned up by a certain propaganda machine.

Well you're one of my top favorite a-holes. What's not said about this particular statistic is the definition of what comprises a sexual assault. If you're just thinking of some guy that physically forces a woman down a a bed and has sex with her, that's a narrow definition. But if you include stuff like an eight year old that's bullied by a couple of teenage boys to take off her clothes in the bushes so they can look (but no intercourse); or the drunk college girl that's unconscious thats physically assaulted but really doesn't remember (except for those pics some tagged her in on Facebook); or the girl that's on a date and goes along with the kissing and heavy petting but then the guy doesn't let her leave the room and she's scared but feels stupid for getting into that position and she goes along with it just to get out of there....then your definition of assault is more expansive and guess what...it's up to 1 out of four. From a womans point of view, a horny guy in his twenties is VERY insistent that they get what they want. They don't take "no" very well. I'm betting a few of you older fellows with daughters that's are ultra proctective know what I'm talking about...'cause you were like that once, even though you might consider yourself to be a "nice guy".I don't know the whole story about Coker and we may never know unless he tells us. It's disappointing for sure as he had so much potential, and to have it taken away because of an accusation like this...true or not...it's tragic. Maybe dads/moms need to give their sons better advice than "be sure to use a condom."

the women who "just go along with it to get out of there" are the ones that are the problem. if you don't want to do it say you don't want to and be firm with it. most girls have to say no once to feel better about themselves in the morning for playing "hard to get". if she ends up going through with it then the guy assumes he talked her into it. how could he know she just did it to get out of there? a girl can not want to do it then change her mind but she should never be able to change her mind back to not wanting to after the fact. that is what gets so many guys into trouble

 

[uihawk82]

You got to understand that 20 year old college football players are generally even more highly aggressive, testosterone laden, and maybe impulsive than many other males. I am totally against men sexually assaulting women or even slapping a women. But for some of these males they do not understand or do not a have good view of women. I am not saying this has anything to do with coker or others until I here positive evidence.

So knowing this I agree with the posters here who say "ladies you better watch out..." and the "meat in the suite" sayings. I hate that women have to be so careful. I have a 28 year old daughter and I wish I didnt have to worry about her. But you better teach them to stay in groups and watch out who they hang with until they really know the person.

And then it still might happen.

 

[gohawks71]

Well I'm still that horny guy but I ain't in my 20's anymore. I get a no then I move onto some else until I am able to touch all the bases then I go home to the wife.

Not to sound like an a-hole or soft on rape, but I think this number is ginned up by a certain propaganda machine.

Well you're one of my top favorite a-holes. What's not said about this particular statistic is the definition of what comprises a sexual assault. If you're just thinking of some guy that physically forces a woman down a a bed and has sex with her, that's a narrow definition. But if you include stuff like an eight year old that's bullied by a couple of teenage boys to take off her clothes in the bushes so they can look (but no intercourse); or the drunk college girl that's unconscious thats physically assaulted but really doesn't remember (except for those pics some tagged her in on Facebook); or the girl that's on a date and goes along with the kissing and heavy petting but then the guy doesn't let her leave the room and she's scared but feels stupid for getting into that position and she goes along with it just to get out of there....then your definition of assault is more expansive and guess what...it's up to 1 out of four. From a womans point of view, a horny guy in his twenties is VERY insistent that they get what they want. They don't take "no" very well. I'm betting a few of you older fellows with daughters that's are ultra proctective know what I'm talking about...'cause you were like that once, even though you might consider yourself to be a "nice guy".I don't know the whole story about Coker and we may never know unless he tells us. It's disappointing for sure as he had so much potential, and to have it taken away because of an accusation like this...true or not...it's tragic. Maybe dads/moms need to give their sons better advice than "be sure to use a condom."

 

[theboat]

He kinda looks like Jon.

 

[imported_ankle23]

Well I'm still that horny guy but I ain't in my 20's anymore. I get a no then I move onto some else until I am able to touch all the bases then I go home to the wife.

impressive

 

[HomerChampless]

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theboat;675871]

Make this a fair comparison.

 

[Billso]

Well I'm still that horny guy but I ain't in my 20's anymore. I get a no then I move onto some else until I am able to touch all the bases then I go home to the wife.

Erudition fails me.

 

[storminspank]

Wow, OK4P just rocked the hell out of this thread.

 

[imported_ankle23]

Erudition fails me.

yeah, that response was surely a wowza.

 

[CGHawk]

Statistics can be easily skewed. You could go to an AA meeting and ask 10 people there if they are alcoholics and have 10 of them say yes and say "A recent survey shows that 10 out of 10 people are alcoholics." Obviously, not everyone is an alcoholic, but it just shows that statistics can be wrong.

Who is to say they didn't ask 16 women if they were sexually assaulted and it happens to be that 4 of them said "yes," which would make the statistic 1 out of 4 women are sexually assaulted. I highly doubt that is what they did, but I'm just trying to further explain my point.

Sexual assault/crimes are very serious and I have no problem with the police taking them serious and assuming that there is something to the accusation until the woman is safe. There are times where a woman who is abused will gather the strength/courage/etc. to try to tell someone or the police and then become fearful of what might happen to her and say she lied... So I don't think the police can respond to something like that and just shrug it off until it is investigated. However, if it turns out that the man is proven innocent and the woman was just ticked off and lying.... then there needs to be some sort of action taken against the girl.

Either way, I'm still a little shocked and disappointed that all of this has happened and Coker is no longer with us. Hopefully everything works out for the best for everyone.

As for guys getting in trouble for being too aggressive and still trying after the girl says "no" once, because they think she actually wants to or whatever...

Call me old-fashion, but I choose not to do the whole "random hooking up" thing and I believe "no" means no. Obviously people hook up, but if a girl says "no" you should respect that and not push the issue... and you might just be saving yourself from a big mess.