CJ's debut

CP87 said:
I think so much hinges on how they articulate the WHY behind their protest. Kaepernick came off as a highschool freshman who read one Malcolm X book and all of a sudden thought he was the smartest man in the room. His quote after his initial protest:

"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."​

That was a pretty inflammatory statement demonstrating a complete lack of appreciation for the nuance of the situation.

I have heard other players explain their protests by stating that they love this country and the flag, but they are protesting as a way to draw awareness to social injustice. It is much easier for me, personally, to sympathize with the protest when explained that way.
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Quotes from the players:

"There's a lot of racial and social injustices in the world that are going on right now," rookie safety Jabrill Peppers said after the Browns' second win in two preseason games. "We just decided to take a knee and pray for the people who have been affected and just pray for the world in general."

Players said linebacker Christian Kirksey led the prayer.

"We did it out of respect," Kirksey said. "No disrespect for anyone, we just felt like it was the right time and the need to do it."

"We were not trying to disrespect the flag or be a distraction to the team, but as men we thought we had the right to stand up for what we believed in, and we demonstrated that," Peppers said.

From article on ESPN. Kirksey is a leader on that team and in his community. I have nothing but respect for how they carried this out.
 
I still fail to comprehend what I see as a contradiction when players say they are not 'disrespecting' the flag while then sitting or ignoring the playing of the national anthem while others are... By protesting you are then by defacto disrespecting it aren't you? That is the point of it. Am I the only one that sees things that way? You can say your not protesting against the troops if you want because that is something to me that can only be taken by those that have served or are currently. It's not my place to tell them how to take that. Sounds like some do and some don't. I haven't seen any polling on that to what extent feel what way. But just quit trying to have things both ways and call a spade a spade. Their intent is great but as I was taught as a child two wrongs don't make a right. There are other ways for them to get across their points if they'd just use their heads. They don't have to go disrespecting anything or anyone to do it.... Just my rant for the morning...
 
CP87 said:
I think so much hinges on how they articulate the WHY behind their protest. Kaepernick came off as a highschool freshman who read one Malcolm X book and all of a sudden thought he was the smartest man in the room. His quote after his initial protest:

"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."​

That was a pretty inflammatory statement demonstrating a complete lack of appreciation for the nuance of the situation.

I have heard other players explain their protests by stating that they love this country and the flag, but they are protesting as a way to draw awareness to social injustice. It is much easier for me, personally, to sympathize with the protest when explained that way.
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That, and when it's done with a group of guys to show unity, and the teammates who don't kneel or "fist" still show respect and support. It's when someone intentionally calls out the fact they are doing it, i.e., "Hey! Hey! I'm gonna be kneeling for the anthem this week! If you don't see me, look for my clenched fist!" that it rings hollow...
 
Hawkfnntn said:
I still fail to comprehend what I see as a contradiction when players say they are not 'disrespecting' the flag while then sitting or ignoring the playing of the national anthem while others are... By protesting you are then by defacto disrespecting it aren't you? That is the point of it. Am I the only one that sees things that way? You can say your not protesting against the troops if you want because that is something to me that can only be taken by those that have served or are currently. It's not my place to tell them how to take that. Sounds like some do and some don't. I haven't seen any polling on that to what extent feel what way. But just quit trying to have things both ways and call a spade a spade. Their intent is great but as I was taught as a child two wrongs don't make a right. There are other ways for them to get across their points if they'd just use their heads. They don't have to go disrespecting anything or anyone to do it.... Just my rant for the morning...
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To their credit, they--including Kaepernick--aren't "disrupting" by yelling or interfering with the singing of the anthem or presentation of the colors.

Frankly, I might have a little more respect for ALL of pro sports if they dropped the anthem and color presentation, on occasion, in favor of a quick, "Please note the flag in the north end zone. You may face that direction during our moment of silence before kick off. Please be respectful of those who choose to either face the flag or not, as well as those engaged in prayer or reflection, or not. This moment of silence is a chance for all to quietly reflect in a personal way prior to the noise and activity that takes place during this game."
 
hawkeyebob62 said:
To their credit, they--including Kaepernick--aren't "disrupting" by yelling or interfering with the singing of the anthem or presentation of the colors.

Frankly, I might have a little more respect for ALL of pro sports if they dropped the anthem and color presentation, on occasion, in favor of a quick, "Please note the flag in the north end zone. You may face that direction during our moment of silence before kick off. Please be respectful of those who choose to either face the flag or not, as well as those engaged in prayer or reflection, or not. This moment of silence is a chance for all to quietly reflect in a personal way prior to the noise and activity that takes place during this game."
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Very true. I'm glad there's been no disrupting of it as you described. That'd be a disaster. I'm not sure what I think about what to do going forward. I mean for the colors to be presented and anthem played is now is just such an entrenched thing that to do anything different would be surprising...
 
If anybody needed any more confirmation on how atrocious Greg Davis was/is and how far back he set our offense (he also brought Bobby Kennedy) just watch Beathard play now, who likes he a legitimate NFL quarterback but threw under 100 yards in 3 of his last 4 college games.
Greg Davis is to football what Todd Lickleiter is to basketball. Thank you Brian Ferentz!!!!
 
BGOLD said:
If anybody needed any more confirmation on how atrocious Greg Davis was/is and how far back he set our offense (he also brought Bobby Kennedy) just watch Beathard play now, who likes he a legitimate NFL quarterback but threw under 100 yards in 3 of his last 4 college games.
Greg Davis is to football what Todd Lickleiter is to basketball. Thank you Brian Ferentz!!!!
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IKR... CJ has thrown for 100ish yards while playing about 2 quarters of football each of the last two games. And he's not exactly airing it out chucking it or anything. He's an efficient QB when he's able to set his feet and throw and he's down right deadly when using play action.
 
ArvadaHawk said:
I can see that the 49ers drafted CJ for a reason. He really looked calm and natural. It can be seen that when he masters the offense, he'll be a high performing qb. He still needs to improve his pocket presence. He needs to get that "oh sh*t, here comes the blitz and my line didn't pick it up" get rid of the ball into his thought process. He had one sack where he held onto the ball too long. But he did look really good, otherwise.
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Always said he is special.Still in front of niner line is 3rd year in row time in pocket is scarce.Hope he part-time number 3 qb.
 
BGOLD said:
If anybody needed any more confirmation on how atrocious Greg Davis was/is and how far back he set our offense (he also brought Bobby Kennedy) just watch Beathard play now, who likes he a legitimate NFL quarterback but threw under 100 yards in 3 of his last 4 college games.
Greg Davis is to football what Todd Lickleiter is to basketball. Thank you Brian Ferentz!!!!
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What was GD'S BOSS DOING FOR 5 HAPPY YEARS. AS ITS BEEN SAID GD! DID NOT ACT ALONE NO?
 
BGOLD said:
If anybody needed any more confirmation on how atrocious Greg Davis was/is and how far back he set our offense (he also brought Bobby Kennedy) just watch Beathard play now, who likes he a legitimate NFL quarterback but threw under 100 yards in 3 of his last 4 college games.
Greg Davis is to football what Todd Lickleiter is to basketball. Thank you Brian Ferentz!!!!
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That's a good comparison. How the F he and the team was that successful in 2015, I'll never know. His whole offensive philosophy was flawed and even worse, they tried to marry it with Ferentz's style of offense/play. Seriously, think about it. Ferentz has a pounding running game using a fullback and play action pass out of it. Davis had an offense getting the receivers to the edge of the field for out patterns and didn't use the middle of the field. Guess what, play action works best throwing downfield. The two different philosophies clashed. It was a horrible hire for what Iowa likes to do.
 
I wonder if white people will start protesting the anthom because sometimes they can get mugged or beat up by a black guy if they walk into the wrong neighborhood. Or will they just continue to realize there are shitty people in the world and it has nothing to do with our country.
 
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earlkoppelman said:
What was GD'S BOSS DOING FOR 5 HAPPY YEARS. AS ITS BEEN SAID GD! DID NOT ACT ALONE NO?
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Ferentz is at least partly to blame, no doubt. At least he righted it in the off season. Too late, but at least we'll never have to endure that offense again.
 
tksirius said:
In all seriousness, show me a country that doesn't oppress its people.
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On an overarching scale you bet there's oppression being done. Most countries it's a systematic thing for sure. It's such an economic driven thing more so than race though. That's what I think is the much larger issue. There are way way way more poor people than their are minorities being held down... You can draw a strait line from those that are uneducated and poor to those that commit crimes out of desperation... The reason race is a even a factor in that is due to that minorities are at a much higher rate finding themselves coming from broken homes/single parents with no education themselves leading to a pretty darn tough cycle to try and break... Some can and do. It's not impossible. But you gotta want to bad enough.. Name me another country where that's possible besides here???
 
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