Was there 7 or 8 dropped passes in that game?
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Was there 7 or 8 dropped passes in that game?
KMM and Powell weren't two of our top receivers?
Saying CJ doesn't have arm strength and that Iowa coaches say it too makes me almost 100% sure you're trolling. Good job tho. You're the first person on here that ha's ever bugged me at all.
Hey Dean, you've been duped. But don't feel bad, he had me for a bit too.
deanvogs
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CJ stats suffered from 7 dropped balls that day, including a TD pass. He should have been 25-37 without the drops. Plus what had Jake done to that point to "win" the job? Barely beat UNI, barely beat Ball St., lost to ISU and he had a lot to do with that loss, and he looked terrible in the 1st half of Pitt. CJ led us to a come from behind win over Pitt, performed well against Purdue in what should have been a 25-37 day.
Either way like I said originally the coaches knew that CJ had something, and was good enough to earn reps. This alone tells you they really felt that he was at least even with Jake, otherwise why do that with a starting QB? This isn't a LB where you can rotate possessions and not affect the team per say. This is the QB position, and if CJ isn't clearly even with or has the potential to pass up Jake, you don't give him anything but mop up duty reps.
deanvogs
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Welp if everyone who was wrong on this site was a troll, we would all be trolls. I'm pretty sure you have been wrong as well.
hawkdrummer1
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I did notice that ICKE showed up for the first time shortly after the ISU-IOWA basketball game last season. Coincidence? We know the clone MO... show up and throw up endlessly after a win....disappear after getting your azz kicked.
Welp if everyone who was wrong on this site was a troll, we would all be trolls. I'm pretty sure you have been wrong as well.
You're right on the first part of your post but when someone acts so smart and is so wrong it sure looks like trolling. You're way wrong on the last part of your post tho.
More drivel without even reading it.
Wow a JR vs CJ arm strength argument? And overall play? It’s not even so much that JR didn’t have the arm or athleticism as CJ but it was apparent that for whatever the combination of reasons JR wasn’t that aggressive with his decision making. How many of the big plays that CJ made last year would JR have even attempted??? Most of the time his first read was to the check down receiver. He didn’t even go through progressions. And the times he did he’d still check it down. My guess was always that he wasn’t that confident in his own arm to try and make those plays as to not flirt with disaster. I think QBs play different when they know their job is being hunted. JR was doing everything he could to be the coaches pet by making the ‘smart’ play and not making mistakes so not to open the window to get flat out benched due to turnovers or just not moving the team. Man that throw at Indiana CJ made on 3rd and long rolling to his left and putting it across his body with some zip on it to Vandeberg for a big conversion is a play JR couldn’t even do against air in practice. You could sum up the differences between them in just a small handful of plays. Take the ISU game in general. If JR was QBing that ISU game last yr Iowa loses. Point to me any of these plays JR could execute as well as CJ…. Even the WR screen JR wasn’t able to do like CJ does. Am I saying JR was bad? No he’s not bad for crying out loud he’s with the Lions now. But that don’t mean he was or is as good as CJ… Jeesh.
FreddyHawk
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Kirk said if we had a game today, CJ would be in it going full speed. Let's lay this to rest. Not worth talking about any more.
HawkInATX
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Looks like arm strength to me.
EDIT: I just did a little math on the BTC game film. CJ throws from the Iowa 8... Smith catches at the MSU 35. 15 yards + 42 yards = 57 yards in the air into a tight space. Did I miss something?
Just like everything else you're wrong about, you're wrong about when I ''showed up'.....
Walter Camp has him as the no. 13 QB draft prospect:
DraftUtopia has him as the 13th prospect and says 'he has a noodle for an arm that will limit him....'
I don't agree that he has a noodle for an arm........but you guys are missing my point. There is VERY LITTLE difference in CJ's and JR's abilities and last year proved that the coaches were right that they had 2 very good QBs and tough decisions to make, and I have said because their abilities were so close, CJ finally won the job because Davis (I'll repeat again) favors a QB who can keep plays alive and that was pretty much the only deciding factor. Don't believe me, ask Davis.....Some of you, in your revisionist history and with your selective memories come up with all kinds of nonsense to justify your 'feelings', but the facts don't support your history or memory and I've shown that numerous times. But some on here aren't interested in facts (like someone who just posted that I 'appeared' after the Iowa-Iowa St. basketball game???), you just like to come on here and make up whatever floats your boat to make you 'feel' important. I've told you what the 'experts' (Iowa coaches, scouts, announcers, analysts, etc.) have to say, but what do they know, lol....I don't know why it is so important for some of you to believe that CJ was sooo much better than JR? To help justify why you wanted KF run out of town? I'm over this debate, people believe what the 'need' to believe, so this shouldn't surprise me, especially knowing all the things that people 'believe' about the world....
I agree there wasn't a "huge" difference between the two. A lot of people said Rudock had a weak arm. I wasn't one of them. I do believe CJ has a stronger arm tho.
As faras CJ having the ability to keep plays alive, that is the reason we won so many close games last year and that is the reason we lost so many the year before. I'm not saying other things could have happened to get the win like defensive plays or running backs making plays. I'm saying all other things equal, the difference between a qb that can turn a nothing play into something and a qb who can't changed the outcome of a lot of games the last two years for better and for worse.
We lost the Nebby game because we couldn't cover punts, so unless CJ was going out as a gunner, he wouldn't have made any difference. CJ could have corrected or overcome our inability to tackle in 2014? You folks just don't get it, and you can't 'predict' what WOULD HAVE happened in some alternate universe with CJ as the QB....it's just silly and a waste of time.
That is a very average throw for a college QB. I'm glad it impressed you. The Bohannon boys use to throw it 50 yds. playing catch in middle school, lol, and there are plenty of HS QB's who throw it that far. I'm glad it looks like arm strength to you, lol, I'm sure you'll be getting phone calls for your evaluation of arm strength, lol. How the experts determine arm strength is a little more 'scientific' and detailed....just get over it yahoos.......
hawkdrummer1
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Just like everything else I'm wrong about....he,he,he. You certainly are a piece of work, man.
According to your profile you first appeared in January. Seems like an odd time to join...right after Iowa gets clobbered in the Rose Bowl, and a few weeks after we lose to the clones in bball. Coincidence perhaps...but the date is right on your profile.
Any time someone praises a young player this guy rips on them. Sounds like something a clown fan would do to make it sound like our future teams will suck. He's big on ripping the qb we have and talking up the qb we don't have. Again, sounds like a clown fan.
deanvogs
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Davis didn't make the decision, KF did.
I completely disagree with you on the QB thing. CJhas both a quicker release and stronger arm than Jake (maybe not significant on arm strength, but he does).
Other draft boards have CJ as the #3 QB. There will be a wide swing on CJ's pro prospect right now because he played 3/4 of the year at 60% health or worse.
