Chuck Hartlieb - "Mark Weisman wouldn't have started for Drake"

imported_ankle23 said:
Chuck doesn't approve of KF, and this is his latest attempt to show it publicly.

It's not like it's Weisman's fault that his transfer timing was impeccable.....for Weisman. He didn't take carries from better backs. He helped Iowa when Iowa was extremely desperate.

He wouldn't have played had the players in hand wouldn't have flamed out, quit, transferred, spent too much time on the bong, etc. We all know those names.

And who was going to take the carries other than Weisman? Canzeri and Bullock? It's not like they were hitting home runs, or even doubles.

Really a cheap shot, IMO.
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2012 is the only season MW was a necessity, due to injuries. The past two seasons, MW played in front of actual tailbacks. This was coaches choice. But that was Chucks point. Was mentioning Drake hyperbole? Sure it was. But if he'd have said MW wouldn't have played for any other B1G team, he'd be 100% correct. Hartlieb's point still stands.

No one that I ever heard or read has ever been critical of MW's effort and dedication. But, again, that wasn't Hartlieb's point. And it wasn't a cheapshot at MW. It was a true stated opinion from a former Iowa player. kfootball is a grown man...he can take it, right?
 
imported_ankle23 said:
Betts 4.4 ypc in his career at iowa. 2nd leading rusher, all time.

Weisman 4.4 ypc in his career at iowa. 6th leading rusher, all time.

in iowa's top ten, 5 of them have yards per carry in the 4-5 range...but that's no good for iowa ball......
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The difference is inability to make a big play. His short gains were better than most backs short gains and that kept his YPC average up. The problem is our drives end up stalling and we punt. With a home run threat, we still punt after the short runs but every so often they break a big one. That can be the difference in a game.

Also the compitition was so much weaker the last 3 years. Imagine a Shaw, Banks or Greene with this schedule. Weisman racked up yards against bad teams and we had to abandon the run against good teams.
 
Everything Hartlieb said was 100% accurate. Weisman wouldn't play rb at Drake because every coach in the nation at any level would play him at fb where he belongs, well everyone except Captain Clueless.
 
Caddy said:
Everything Hartlieb said was 100% accurate. Weisman wouldn't play rb at Drake because every coach in the nation at any level would play him at fb where he belongs, well everyone except Captain Clueless.
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He had a role ,short yardage situations.Great Hawkeye, dumb coach that put him in situations to fail.Yet ,we still have fans that can't figure that out.
 
SpiderRico said:
Chuck Hartlieb was on with Ken Miller last night and, while he did preface that remark by saying MW was a great guy, a tough guy, and a great team player....he still dropped that bomb.

He also talked about Boyle and how he has a big arm and is a great athlete....but he definitely needs to work on his accuracy. Ken said something to the effect of, "You had me at big arm" and Chuck said, "AJ Derby had a great arm too and tons of athleticism, but couldn't hit the broadside of a barn"....and that's basically an exact quote.

He then talked about the QB issue at Iowa this year and agreed with most of the fanbase that he thought a change was warranted at QB given JRs struggles. Ken brought up his stats the last two years and Chuck basically poo-poo'd his stats and said they came against bad competition. Said Stanzi and Tate played a schedule 3 times as tough as JR and that JR wouldn't have anywhere near the stats that Tate and Stanzi had against that competition. He went on to say that with Iowa's struggles this year in finding playmakers at the RB and WR position, that they HAD to get it from the QB and he thought CJ could have brought that.

Pretty insightful and interesting interview.....Chuck certainly didn't pull any punches.
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I'm sure that many of us feel good that a former star Hawkeye agrees with us about MW and JR. Seemingly good kids, but not good enough players at this level.
 
brozley said:
I'm sure that many of us feel good that a former star Hawkeye agrees with us about MW and JR. Seemingly good kids, but not good enough players at this level.
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FWIW - Chuck also had not so kind words about Tate, Stanzi, and KOK in the past. There's somethings behind the curtain here folks. Doesn't mean his critique doesn't have some validity.....but ya know that old saying about a 'grain of salt'
 
Clark said:
Weisman had his weaknesses and in reality Iowa should have had a true runningback taking a majority of his carries over the last two years. He was a good goalline back that Iowa used as their primary back because the runningbacks they brought in either got hurt, didn't develop, or left the team.

Hartlieb was using hyperbole to make a point but IMO he was being disrespectful of a guy who deserves some respect for giving everything he could possibly give.
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You are correct he was exaggerating to make his point. May have worded it a bit harshly but the point stands. If you are going to base your team off running the ball, then you need to have a RB who turn a well-blocked play into a big play. Iowa has not had that for the last 3 years. It's not Weisman's fault, he is what he is. Were Iowa to find a difference-maker at RB for 2015, it would be a huge boon to the offense. I don't know if that guy is on the roster next year. It's an opportunity for a freshman to come in and play.
 
imported_ankle23 said:
Betts 4.4 ypc in his career at iowa. 2nd leading rusher, all time.

Weisman 4.4 ypc in his career at iowa. 6th leading rusher, all time.

in iowa's top ten, 5 of them have yards per carry in the 4-5 range...but that's no good for iowa ball......
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What's Weisman's avg. in the B1G where the competition is much better? Much lower than 4.4 I imagine. You can have a couple of big games vs. the Central Michigans of the world to skew your ypc.

Look, I like Weisman but he shouldn't be a starting tailback in BCS football. Look forward to see him in the NFL blocking for someone and getting an occasional short yardage carry.
 
imported_ankle23 said:
Betts 4.4 ypc in his career at iowa. 2nd leading rusher, all time.

Weisman 4.4 ypc in his career at iowa. 6th leading rusher, all time.

in iowa's top ten, 5 of them have yards per carry in the 4-5 range...but that's no good for iowa ball......
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MW had a place in the Iowa running attack. His YPC is proof of that. I think he carried the ball too much, however. Bullock should have played more than he did. He wasn't as good of a runner, but he was a threat to catch the ball and was by far the best pass protection back on the team. The issue, as many have pointed out, is KF/GD were never willing to play call to the strengths of the team. Stretch right and stretch left should have been thrown away after the UNI game.
 
SteveGarvey said:
What's Weisman's avg. in the B1G where the competition is much better? Much lower than 4.4 I imagine. You can have a couple of big games vs. the Central Michigans of the world to skew your ypc.

Look, I like Weisman but he shouldn't be a starting tailback in BCS football. Look forward to see him in the NFL blocking for someone and getting an occasional short yardage carry.
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Actually this yr in the big 10 he averaged 4.07 ypc. In 2013 he had a 4.12 ypc against the big 10. In 2012 he had a 4.5 ypc against the big 10. For a career against the big 10 of 4.2 ypc.

i agree he got more carries than he should have but we and chuck need to remember that there were reasons he became and stayed the starter. Namely lots and lots of injuries.
 
imported_ankle23 said:
Chuck doesn't approve of KF, and this is his latest attempt to show it publicly.

It's not like it's Weisman's fault that his transfer timing was impeccable.....for Weisman. He didn't take carries from better backs. He helped Iowa when Iowa was extremely desperate.

He wouldn't have played had the players in hand wouldn't have flamed out, quit, transferred, spent too much time on the bong, etc. We all know those names.

And who was going to take the carries other than Weisman? Canzeri and Bullock? It's not like they were hitting home runs, or even doubles.

Really a cheap shot, IMO.
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Thanks for reinforcing some of the issues at Iowa ankle and some wonder why people disapprove of KF job right now.. The Fact is this isn't a cheap shot at MW it's a SHOT AT KF and ITS WARRANTED.. Hello! No way MW should still be #1 on Iowa RB Depth Chart for these back to back season. It clearly shows just how badly a job Iowa has done since 2012 in recruiting.. IMO a complete Joke if you ask me..



I'll be honest ankle I'm more shocked that your post is showing a +3 in Thumbs. :)
 
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HawkPrdatr40 said:
Thanks for reinforcing some of the issues at Iowa ankle and some wonder why people disapprove of KF job right now.. The Fact is this isn't a cheap shot at MW it's a SHOT AT KF and ITS WARRANTED.. Hello! No way MW should still be #1 on Iowa RB Depth Chart for these back to back season. It clearly shows just how badly a job Iowa has done since 2012 in recruiting.. IMO a complete Joke if you ask me..



I'll be honest ankle I'm more shocked that your post is showing a +3 in Thumbs. :)
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Apologists trying to rally. Everyone else understands it's only a matter of time and time is running out.
 
Hawkfnntn said:
I agree with his take on Derby and why he never panned out.. Yet may that be a part of Sunshines deal too? His completion percentage isn't great in what time he's had either and hes had way more actual game reps then Derby ever got. I don't know if that's true or not just bringing up that angle. After seeing as much of JR as we have I'd sure like to think Sunshine could have brought more to the table then what we got... So it is what it is. I hope Sunshine gets the start in the bowl and they turn him loose
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Our coaches are the ones recruiting and offering these "strong armed but inaccurate QBs"
 
I've seen CJ have some timing issues and I've seen him not be on the same page as recievers, but I haven't really seen him just miss passes enough to label him inaccurate.
 
The first time I noticed Weisman was the first game of 2012. He was playing fullback and bullock was at Tailback. He stood out, he was a stud back there at full back. He was quick to come out of his stance and exploded into the defenders.
 
ICHawk24 said:
Chuck was a great QB.

But he can't hit the broad side of a barn as a coach or analyst.
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^In a nutshell.

Plus, what/how he said it was cold. Of course, we could rank on Chuck for the stupid pitch-out vs. Tennessee in 1987 Kickoff Classic, or the fact most of his records came in losing efforts, or the joke that was the 1988 season. Just for some similar "medicine".
 
hawkeyebob62 said:
^In a nutshell.

Plus, what/how he said it was cold. Of course, we could rank on Chuck for the stupid pitch-out vs. Tennessee in 1987 Kickoff Classic, or the fact most of his records came in losing efforts, or the joke that was the 1988 season. Just for some similar "medicine".
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Can you imagine how these boards would have handled that 6-4-3 season, or perhaps his tight (sarcasm) ball, or the McGwire(some would say best talent)/Poholsky/Harlieb race that took 5 games to settle (in the coaches eyes- never settled in the fans eyes).

It's unfortunate chuck has AGAIN revealed this jilted, jealous, faded bloom side
 
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