Charlie Jones on Why He Left for Purdue
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Fryowa
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Correct. Any move he could make would be downwards.
The only hope we have is that he can find something in the NFL as a position coach but that ain't gonna happen either. Brian makes $900K here before bonuses, which is more than double what most NFL position coaches make. Kirk and the donors have positioned Brian such that he's untouchable and has no incentive to leave.
NorthKCHawk
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Brian, Petras, and the offense as a whole are going to be better this year. I am confident of that. Last year was a shit show with a way too young and small OL, a RB who did not fit the system very well, and a QB and OC that are not talented enough to make up for a lack of consistent running attack.
The line is bigger and more talented as a whole. The RBs look like downhill Iowa RBs. Petras will not only benefit from a better running game, but his offseason training at the Manning Camp and the addition of the QB consultant BF hired are going to pay dividends.
All that said, Iowa's offense will, at best, ascend to mediocrity. With our D, the team will be dangerous with an average offense.
I am not going to pucker my ass over comments from a transfer. If he wanted to go to school that passes the ball a lot, he shouldn't have come to Iowa in the first place. Iowa is the same team it has been for 22 years. The fans have had the same gripes about the OCs during that entire time, whether BF, KOK, or GD. Iowa is what it is on offense, and while we would like to see a better offense, the overall philosophy isn't going to change until KF hangs them up. I don't give a shit what this kid has to say about it, I will just enjoy another 9-10 win season.
The line is bigger and more talented as a whole. The RBs look like downhill Iowa RBs. Petras will not only benefit from a better running game, but his offseason training at the Manning Camp and the addition of the QB consultant BF hired are going to pay dividends.
All that said, Iowa's offense will, at best, ascend to mediocrity. With our D, the team will be dangerous with an average offense.
I am not going to pucker my ass over comments from a transfer. If he wanted to go to school that passes the ball a lot, he shouldn't have come to Iowa in the first place. Iowa is the same team it has been for 22 years. The fans have had the same gripes about the OCs during that entire time, whether BF, KOK, or GD. Iowa is what it is on offense, and while we would like to see a better offense, the overall philosophy isn't going to change until KF hangs them up. I don't give a shit what this kid has to say about it, I will just enjoy another 9-10 win season.
MelroseHawkins
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Wow. Interesting hearing him talk that he's going to play RB along with WR and having identify the D for both positions. Sounds like they are going to use him like Deebo Samual. You can tell from listening to him how progressive their offense is compared to when he was at Iowa.
I mean yeah helloo... #1 at Purdue in a pass happy O or # 2 or 3 at Iowa where he'd get maybe half the targets or so with the same opportunities in the return game. It's not a hard sell. Brohm is a great offensive coach. I'm still surprised he's stuck around at Purdue this long (even more surprised he didn't take the Louisville gig a couple yrs ago)
It's a direct indictment of BF is what it is. When say the #3 receiver at Purdue (and lots of other places) can get more opportunities then the #1 guy at Iowa how's Iowa supposed to sell that? We criminally under used guys like Tevaun Smith, Brandon Smith, I'd even put Noah Fant in this conversation. Sure they had a few moments and highlights but there was so much meat left on the bone for them guys to have all done more. A lot more
MelroseHawkins
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Tyrone Tracy is going to play like Deebo Samual in San Fran. They are going to use Tracy at RB as well.
What I was not aware and prob another huge reason Jones went to Purdue is his personal relationship with Aidan O'connor. Jones mentioned how they played together growing up on the same youth teams, etc.. Mentioned how O'connor just dominated when younger.
FloridaHawks
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This is such an embarrassment for our offense. If I was an opposing coach in the recruitment process I would have this trend highlighted on a note card.
One kid leaving a school for the lack of offense could be written up as an anomaly or any other excuse, but two at the same position going to the same in conference opponent is just embarrassing.
I don't know but if I had a girlfriend dump me every year for the same reason and run off with the same guy I might start looking in the mirror.
One kid leaving a school for the lack of offense could be written up as an anomaly or any other excuse, but two at the same position going to the same in conference opponent is just embarrassing.
I don't know but if I had a girlfriend dump me every year for the same reason and run off with the same guy I might start looking in the mirror.
HuckFinn
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Just read an article on Hawk Central about Joey Labas. He clearly sees himself as a dual threat QB. He also says the right stuff about learning behind Petras and Padilla. He seems committed to compete, with patience.
Then a surprise comment (to me) from Chad about Spenser. He wrote that this would likely be Spenser‘s final year, even though he could use a 6th year of eligibility. That would put Labas and Padilla in the 1-2 spots in 2023. Yes, new recruits are
in the game, but not likely to surpass two more experienced QB’s.
NB: Hawk Central articles are frequently on Facebook. I would recommend that you read them there for free.
Then a surprise comment (to me) from Chad about Spenser. He wrote that this would likely be Spenser‘s final year, even though he could use a 6th year of eligibility. That would put Labas and Padilla in the 1-2 spots in 2023. Yes, new recruits are
in the game, but not likely to surpass two more experienced QB’s.
NB: Hawk Central articles are frequently on Facebook. I would recommend that you read them there for free.
Yeah that'd been noted once the rumors started flying he was going to be a part of it too. Wasn't a big secret or anything.
SCHawkeye2
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InGoodCo
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When Purdue wins 5 games and Iowa wins 9 who gives a shit? Obviously I want players like Charlie Jones on our team but the bottom line is I like both Bruce and Johnson better and would prefer both on the field over Jones. That was before the transfer. Lastly I care about wins and loses. I'll take Iowa heading into this season, you guys take Purdue. Enjoy, let me know how it works out.
MelroseHawkins
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Yea, I thought about this to. Jones was the 3rd receiver on Iowa's roster with his only big attribute/skill of return yards. Kick-off return hasn't really been an issue at Iowa as they have been pretty good on the whole in the past.
Jones started at Buffalo and wasn't highly recruited and Iowa took a flyer on him. He's no David Bell just because he went to Purdue. They can have who we thought was our 3rd receiver. He may have more production because of the offense they run, not because he's this tip legit receiver.
I think Iowa has the guys to fill that return role. They usually do.
When I threw out he was their #1 receiver, I stated it more surprisingly than stating he deserved it. I'm with you. I really don't think Iowa is going to lose too much without him. Also, Taylor never tore it up here so...............
NorthKCHawk
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Noah Fant was awfully persnickity for a guy who was the second best TE on his own team and still got drafted in the first round.
Bottom line is that BF is doing exactly what KF wants him to do. Of course, KF wants the offense to be better, but only within the confines of how he wants the offense to go. The style and philosophy come from the top down. You can blame BF if you want to, but that's like blaming your waiter when your food tastes like shit......
That's the thing... If Iowa's O is 121st again do you think we'll have 9 plus wins? What we were able to do last year was statistical abnormality. To duplicate that would only be tougher with our schedule being what it is. I'm not asking if you think it'll be better everyone seems to think it will be. I'm asking what if it's not. Just because the Oline may be a little better doesn't mean Petras and the passing game will be. BF is still calling plays and our WR room just got smaller with Ragani hurting his foot.
InGoodCo
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It's been the same with every OC we've had. Every once in a while the offense is good by stroke of luck. This program would rather be on defense. They just would. Kirk wants to win games with special teams and defense and he wants an offense that is just competent to compliment the defense. That's how they've won this many games since they got here. I get wanting a better offense, I really do, but I don't give a shit...just keep winning a lot of games and I'll be happy either way.Noah Fant was awfully persnickity for a guy who was the second best TE on his own team and still got drafted in the first round.
Bottom line is that BF is doing exactly what KF wants him to do. Of course, KF wants the offense to be better, but only within the confines of how he wants the offense to go. The style and philosophy come from the top down. You can blame BF if you want to, but that's like blaming your waiter when your food tastes like shit......
I get that line of thinking but only up to a point. I don't think KF micromanages BFs play calls on game day. I think KF decides if they go for it on 4th down or not. But beyond that maybe in big situations would BF chime in and say pass here or run here after a timeout. But when it comes to running a pass play designed for 4 yards on 3rd and 9 I don't think that's on KF as much as I do BF. He's calling the plays and now coaching the QBs. It's his resume that's taking that hit and I can't see him just being ok with it just because Daddy says so.Noah Fant was awfully persnickity for a guy who was the second best TE on his own team and still got drafted in the first round.
Bottom line is that BF is doing exactly what KF wants him to do. Of course, KF wants the offense to be better, but only within the confines of how he wants the offense to go. The style and philosophy come from the top down. You can blame BF if you want to, but that's like blaming your waiter when your food tastes like shit......
InGoodCo
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There's a lot of room for improvement on offense. If they are 121st again this season, they will inevitably lose more games this season because the schedule is tougher. But I think Iowa does whatever it needs to do to win a lot of years. If that's banking on a top 10 defense, they'll do it. I expect them to have another one of those this year so in turn, I expect a similar result really. If the offense can just be complimentary they will have similar success if not better success. There isn't a game on the schedule that I don't think they can win sans at Ohio State. So there for, in my mind, I aint too worried. Ya'll take Purdue, I get Iowa.
MelroseHawkins
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Noah Fant was awfully persnickity for a guy who was the second best TE on his own team and still got drafted in the first round.
Bottom line is that BF is doing exactly what KF wants him to do. Of course, KF wants the offense to be better, but only within the confines of how he wants the offense to go. The style and philosophy come from the top down. You can blame BF if you want to, but that's like blaming your waiter when your food tastes like shit......
I think you nailed it and has a lot to do with it. BF has reign on him just like all the other coordinators that have coached there. This is what I heard from an interview from a media really close to the program.
MelroseHawkins
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Oh yes he does. Even Hayden Fry had the first drive scripted. KF has been doing that for years. I guarantee they have certain plays they are going to run when the 1st 3rd and 6 or 3rd and 8 happens at this part of the field. Those kinds of plays are logged down for the game for the whole game.
And this is after they go INTO the game with the game plan that KF wants, as a whole. Like, against a certain team with a high powered offense, they may choose to run to sustain drives or have 10-12 play possession to limit the opposing team on offense. To win the TOS.. A Purdue is not going to do that. They are going to go out there and fling it every game hoping they can outscore every opponent, without any regard to TOS.
That's all KF philosophy, regardless of how bad BF would like to open it up. At this point, it's prob BF philosophy as well sec to being his son, listening to his dad's philosophy all these years and playing under it. Why do you think KF wanted him in that position? It's a comfort thing and he has a "yes" man who understands the philosophy.
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