OUTofTOWNHAWK
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So it is okay for you to be upset when they go 0-12 but its not okay for anyone else to be upset now?
Cant we all just get along?
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So it is okay for you to be upset when they go 0-12 but its not okay for anyone else to be upset now?
NC, I don't consider most people who resort to name calling or act like Freed an "adult".
People like Freed think they're smart, creative and original but they are not.
They live in a sad life making fun of other people online to give them some kind of self validation.
I used to think people like Freed were misunderstood but that's not it. They enjoy being the type of person who acts like everyone else is stupid.
In the words of Scorp, "Ur kewl dudz!"
deanvogs
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If you want to cut to the chase, none of this online arguing is happening if the '10 team doesn't underperform, and then we have a crappy '11, and '12.
It if really break it down, nobody is happy with the state of the program, the differences are about if it is time to **** can the man in charge.
BTW OOTH I like ya.....even though you keep that edited quote by me in your sig.
OUTofTOWNHAWK
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Take a look again pal I changed it for you.
deanvogs
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HAHA...I never did read below.
HomerChampless
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It should be a process of elimination firing coach(s) that to a greater degree influence the team's performances.
IMO, Phil Parker should be fired before Davis. What positive thing has Phil done other than perpetuating Norm's defense that includes Iowa's bad pass defense of which Phil was coach?
The players didn't know Davis' offense last year. How can an Iowa fan realistically blame Davis for Iowa's troubles? The fan must be biased. At least, give Davis' offense a chance.
If the defense can't be fixed (mind you, Ferentz cares more about having a strong defense than offense) and the offense can't be fixed, then get rid of Ferentz.
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HomerChampless
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Iowa's D will never be able to guard the pass. Iowa guards the pass with the pass rush, and with hopes the other team drops the ball.
EDIT: and is why Iowa always loses to Northwestern.. No Iowa rushing lineman can get to a QB that takes a three-step drop.
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Homer I agree with much of what you said. But our DL would have been much better last year had we not lost some of the talant we should have had
WinOneThisCentury
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Really, we've never been able to guard the pass? Really. The Orange Bowl team was 6th nationally I believe in pass defense or somewhere in that range. That being said, don't confuse statistics with points. Many years, the reason our pass defense looked poor statistically is because teams knew they had no shot at running the ball against us. So guess what, they threw the ball most of the time. If you haven't learned now, our defensive scheme is designed to force teams to methodically move down the fields and execute several plays to beat us. When teams get to the red zone, it gets clamped down and becomes about not giving up 7.
HomerChampless
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I know you don't wanna continue this debate, Lasbur, but how well did Iowa do against Northwester (and Indiana, for that matter) with frontline defensemen that were eventually drafted into the NFL?
HomerChampless
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How many Iowa players during Ferentz's reign(I'm not saying were drafted into the NFL) were forces on pass defense in the NFL?
EDIT: and Iowa can't beat Northwestern because of the QB of Northwestern's 3 to 5 step drop, and that Iowa's pass defense doesn't try to break up the pass.
another EDIT: the same year Iowa had all so many troubles with Indiana's pass offense, Nebraska stymied Indiana's pass offense (because Nebby played to defend the pass from being completed). Nebby's offense didn't need to score all that many points because (and I'm pulling this off the top of my head) Indiana's offense scored less than 10 points.
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I dont think there is any question we have had trouble with those type of offenses. But there is also no qustion we have had some pretty good Defenses. What do you want me to say ?
HomerChampless
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I looked up Nebby's score results of the 2011-2012 and 2012-2013 seasons and Nebby didn't play Indiana either season. Sooooo. Sorry.
HomerChampless
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<Originally Posted by LASBUR>I dont think there is any question we have had trouble with those type of offenses. But there is also no qustion we have had some pretty good Defenses. What do you want me to say ?
Shore up an obvious weakness in Iowa's D?
Shore up an obvious weakness in Iowa's D?
Every D is built to take away a certain part of the offense and make teams beat you another way. I agree if we could just wave a magic wand and be great at everything all the time that would be nice. I dont know if PP will end up being a good DC or not. But I do know Norm was and he had the same problems
DP5555
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I believe they have acknowledged the fact they need to play more man to man coverage... whether or not you believe they did in 2012 or whether or not they will do more of it in 2013 is up for debate. It sounds like they're changing some things up, but whether or not that actually happens on the field is debatable until we see it in action.
The bend but don't break philosophy has certainly struggled against teams like Northwestern and Indiana because they have the kind of offenses that are built around two or three step drops and short passes. They've been most effective against Iowa's defense when they've had QB's who show the patience to lead an 80 yard drive by completing a whole bunch of 5 yard routes. This is where Iowa, more specifically Ferentz, needs to show some flexibility and realize that it would be in their best interest to stop being so stubborn and change the damn coverage.
Great post. I also believe KF needs to take the reigns off the offense when he plays these teams. He always gets ahead by 10 or more and goes into stall mode. Most times that you watch Wiscy or similar talent teams like Iowa play these schools the final score is 42 to 21 and NW scores a couple late to even make it close.
In short, get up by two scores and release the hounds. Stop playing for a fourth qtr game unless you are playing the top dogs. This is exactly what PSU and Michigan did to Iowa last year. This goes for offense and defense.
WinOneThisCentury
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Do I really need to answer that about players in the Ferentz era that were good on pass defense. They were playing a system, typically zone, where you keep the play in front of you. You can't say the players couldn't play tight press coverage, because the truth of the matter is that they were very rarely asked to play that way. From LB's to DB's you have a huge number of players that could play pass defense very very well. Just recently, Lowry, Spievey, Prater, Edds, Angerer, C. Greenway, Godfrey, Sanders...all these guys could play in space.
As far as forces on pass defense in the NFL...Sanders would qualify...but there are very very few DB's that are forces on defense. They make plays most of the time because of pressure on the QB or an incorrect read.
