Can someone explain why some say we’ll be better next year?

tksirius said:
For the record:

Hayden Fry (20 seasons)
OOC games

FCS Teams Played: 7
FCS Teams Lost To: Zero
Power 5 Teams Played: 45
Top 10 Teams Played: 9
Top 25 Teams Played: 12

Kirk Ferentz (19 seasons)
OOC games

FCS Teams Played: 16
FCS Teams Lost To: 2 (almost 3 with UNI)
Power 5 Teams Played: 32
Top 10 Teams Played: 3
Top 25 Teams Played: 5
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Good doesn't let Good facts get in the way. Someone yesterday tried to say that Wisky, NW, MSU and Purdue were all doormats for most of the 90s. The first 3 especially, but all had some very good teams in the 90s and not just a few. Yes, they also had some bad ones. IU wasn't always bad either.

I'll never get the hate toward HF by some of the KF supporters.
 
Robowe said:
A lot of HF's Top 10/Top 25 teams (7) played were in the first few years when the schedules were made before he started at Iowa. See if you can guess when Hayden's influence on the non-conference scheduling kicked in.

1979
@Oklahoma #3
vs Nebraska #7
vs Iowa State

1980
@Nebraska #6
vs Iowa State
vs Arizona

1981
vs Nebraska #7
@ Iowa State
vs UCLA #6

1982
@Nebraska #3
vs Iowa State
@Arizona

1983
@iowa State
@Penn State

1984
vs Iowa State
vs Penn State #12
@Hawaii

1985
vs Drake
vs Northern Illinois
@iowa State

1986
vs Iowa State
vs Northern Illinois
vs UTEP
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1987
vs #17 Tennessee

1990
@ #10 Miami (FL)

1992
vs #1 Miami (FL)
@ #10 Colorado

1998
@ #17 Arizona
 
HawkGold said:
Good doesn't let Good facts get in the way. Someone yesterday tried to say that Wisky, NW, MSU and Purdue were all doormats for most of the 90s. The first 3 especially, but all had some very good teams in the 90s and not just a few. Yes, they also had some bad ones. IU wasn't always bad either.

I'll never get the hate toward HF by some of the KF supporters.
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Looks like Robowe won't let good facts get in the way either lol.
 
Robowe said:
A lot of HF's Top 10/Top 25 teams (7) played were in the first few years when the schedules were made before he started at Iowa. See if you can guess when Hayden's influence on the non-conference scheduling kicked in.

1979
@Oklahoma #3
vs Nebraska #7
vs Iowa State

1980
@Nebraska #6
vs Iowa State
vs Arizona

1981
vs Nebraska #7
@ Iowa State
vs UCLA #6

1982
@Nebraska #3
vs Iowa State
@Arizona

1983
@iowa State
@Penn State

1984
vs Iowa State
vs Penn State #12
@Hawaii

1985
vs Drake
vs Northern Illinois
@iowa State

1986
vs Iowa State
vs Northern Illinois
vs UTEP
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See if you can guess when Kirk's influence on the non-conference scheduling kicked in.

1999
vs #5 Nebraska
@ Iowa St
vs Northern Illinois

2000
vs #9 Kansas St
vs Western Michigan
vs Iowa St
@ #1 Nebraska

2001
vs Kent St
vs Miami (OH)
@ Iowa State

2002
vs Akron
@ Miami (OH)
vs Iowa State
vs Utah State

2003
vs Miami (OH)
vs Buffalo
@ Iowa State
vs #16 Arizona St

2004
vs Kent St
vs Iowa State
@ Arizona St

2005
vs Ball St
@ Iowa State
vs UNI

2006
vs Montana
@ Syracuse
vs Iowa State
vs Northern Illinois

2007
vs Northern Illinois
vs Syracuse
@ Iowa State
vs Western Michigan

2008
vs Maine
vs Florida Intl
vs Iowa State
@ Pittsburgh

2009
vs UNI
@ Iowa State
vs Arizona
vs Arkansas State
 
tksirius said:
1987
vs #17 Tennessee

1990
@ #10 Miami (FL)

1992
vs #1 Miami (FL)
@ #10 Colorado

1998
@ #17 Arizona
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Wait, you posted the numbers, not me. I am just pointing out that attributing the schedules of 1979 through 1985 or so to Hayden Fry is not accurate. Hayden started the scheduling of weaker teams (with some exceptions that you noted). I would argue the Miami (FL) was the only time Iowa went out of their way to schedule a highly rated team (Tennessee was a bonus game at a neutral site and Colorado and Arizona were one offs that were also scheduled later).

Now, has Kirk's influence upped Iowa's schedule? Absolutely not. Kirk does not want the non-conference foes to be too good (Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Arizona State, etc.). My only point was that Hayden was the coach who introduced scheduling lesser opponents in the non-conference to help boost Iowa's record. Folks who think Hayden scheduled tough as soon as he got to Iowa do not remember history very well.
 
Robowe said:
Wait, you posted the numbers, not me. I am just pointing out that attributing the schedules of 1979 through 1985 or so to Hayden Fry is not accurate. Hayden started the scheduling of weaker teams (with some exceptions that you noted). I would argue the Miami (FL) was the only time Iowa went out of their way to schedule a highly rated team (Tennessee was a bonus game at a neutral site and Colorado and Arizona were one offs that were also scheduled later).

Now, has Kirk's influence upped Iowa's schedule? Absolutely not. Kirk does not want the non-conference foes to be too good (Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Arizona State, etc.). My only point was that Hayden was the coach who introduced scheduling lesser opponents in the non-conference to help boost Iowa's record. Folks who think Hayden scheduled tough as soon as he got to Iowa do not remember history very well.
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Doubling down on the idiocy eh?
 
tksirius said:
Doubling down on the idiocy eh?
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So, you're not able to follow? I will explain. Your numbers show Hayden played 9 OOC Top 10 teams. 5 of those were scheduled before he was able to influence the schedule. So, he scheduled 4 OOC Top 10 teams. Kirk played 3 OOC Top 10 teams. See how the numbers were skewed. :)
 
Robowe said:
So, you're not able to follow? I will explain. Your numbers show Hayden played 9 OOC Top 10 teams. 5 of those were scheduled before he was able to influence the schedule. So, he scheduled 4 OOC Top 10 teams. Kirk played 3 OOC Top 10 teams. See how the numbers were skewed. :)
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Using your own logic would mean that Kirk's 3 top 10 teams were scheduled under Hayden's tenure, which also adds 3 more top 10 teams that Fry influenced.
Using your logic, Fry scheduled 7 top 10 teams and Ferentz scheduled zero top 10 teams. Either way, you're looking rather silly.
 
tksirius said:
Using your own logic would mean that Kirk's 3 top 10 teams were scheduled under Hayden's tenure, which also adds 3 more top 10 teams that Fry influenced.
Using your logic, Fry scheduled 7 top 10 teams and Ferentz scheduled zero top 10 teams. Either way, you're looking rather silly.
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My only point was the Hayden's numbers were skewed by the first few years. I already pointed out the Kirk is basically following Hayden's lead in scheduling (Miami being the exception). Hayden's early years had 3 tough Division 1 teams (like Oklahoma, Nebraska, and ISU or Nebraska, ISU, and Arizona/UCLA). No team does that anymore.

Hayden scheduled Miami, Tennessee (once), Colorado, Arizona. He also scheduled Drake, UTEP. Tulsa, and Northern Illinois. Kirk scheduled Syracuse, Pittsburgh, and Arizona. He also scheduled UNI, Northern Illinois, Ball State, etc. I don't see a huge difference. Kirk has the extra game, but he is not going out of his way to schedule a tougher team. No argument there.

Oh, and Kirk gained some games against Nebraska and Penn State as part of the conference. Of course, Rutgers and Maryland came along as well. :) Some good and some bad. I don't think I am looking that silly.
 
tksirius said:
Using your own logic would mean that Kirk's 3 top 10 teams were scheduled under Hayden's tenure, which also adds 3 more top 10 teams that Fry influenced.
Using your logic, Fry scheduled 7 top 10 teams and Ferentz scheduled zero top 10 teams. Either way, you're looking rather silly.
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You are correct on this. I really don't think the difference is as big as you think. Some of the scheduling in football (because it is done years in advance) is not as simple as saying let's schedule team X, they will be good then.

Let's remember, back when Hayden started, Iowa was scheduled by other teams like Oklahoma, Nebraska, Penn State, and UCLA because we were the easy win. Hayden did a lot to change that perception. All credit goes to him on that.
 
Robowe said:
My only point was the Hayden's numbers were skewed by the first few years. I already pointed out the Kirk is basically following Hayden's lead in scheduling (Miami being the exception). Hayden's early years had 3 tough Division 1 teams (like Oklahoma, Nebraska, and ISU or Nebraska, ISU, and Arizona/UCLA). No team does that anymore.

Hayden scheduled Miami, Tennessee (once), Colorado, Arizona. He also scheduled Drake, UTEP. Tulsa, and Northern Illinois. Kirk scheduled Syracuse, Pittsburgh, and Arizona. He also scheduled UNI, Northern Illinois, Ball State, etc. I don't see a huge difference. Kirk has the extra game, but he is not going out of his way to schedule a tougher team. No argument there.

Oh, and Kirk gained some games against Nebraska and Penn State as part of the conference. Of course, Rutgers and Maryland came along as well. :) Some good and some bad. I don't think I am looking that silly.
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Keep trying to twist the facts, bud. I'll post them again in case you missed something.

Hayden Fry (20 seasons)
OOC games

FCS Teams Played: 7
FCS Teams Lost To: Zero
Power 5 Teams Played: 45
Top 10 Teams Played: 9
Top 25 Teams Played: 12

Kirk Ferentz (19 seasons)
OOC games

FCS Teams Played: 16
FCS Teams Lost To: 2 (almost 3 with UNI)
Power 5 Teams Played: 32
Top 10 Teams Played: 3
Top 25 Teams Played: 5
 
Robowe said:
You are correct on this. I really don't think the difference is as big as you think. Some of the scheduling in football (because it is done years in advance) is not as simple as saying let's schedule team X, they will be good then.

Let's remember, back when Hayden started, Iowa was scheduled by other teams like Oklahoma, Nebraska, Penn State, and UCLA because we were the easy win. Hayden did a lot to change that perception. All credit goes to him on that.
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Dude, you were trying to say that Fry's tough OOC games were a result of someone before him scheduling those games by conveniently leaving out 3 more top 10 games and 2 other top 20 games he schedule after 1986, not to include the 3 top 10 games of Kirk's first 2 years that were scheduled under Fry's watch. You're trying to argue a dumb point by being disingenuous. Hence, why you look silly. :)
 
tksirius said:
Keep trying to twist the facts, bud. I'll post them again in case you missed something.

Hayden Fry (20 seasons)
OOC games

FCS Teams Played: 7
FCS Teams Lost To: Zero
Power 5 Teams Played: 45
Top 10 Teams Played: 9
Top 25 Teams Played: 12

Kirk Ferentz (19 seasons)
OOC games

FCS Teams Played: 16
FCS Teams Lost To: 2 (almost 3 with UNI)
Power 5 Teams Played: 32
Top 10 Teams Played: 3
Top 25 Teams Played: 5
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So, you have FCS teams that Kirk lost to at 2. Besides NDSU, who was the 2nd loss? Fake news? :)
 
tksirius said:
Dude, you were trying to say that Fry's tough OOC games were a result of someone before him scheduling those games by conveniently leaving out 3 more top 10 games and 2 other top 20 games he schedule after 1986, not to include the 3 top 10 games of Kirk's first 2 years that were scheduled under Fry's watch. You're trying to argue a dumb point by being disingenuous. Hence, why you look silly. :)
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No, you simply are not following along. Iowa's scheduling changed under Hayden Fry. Kirk continued it. That was the point. There's nothing disengenuous about it.

You are thinking Hayden's numbers are so much bigger/better than Kirk's when he had nothing to do with about half of the Top 10/25 opponents that were schedule out of conference for him. I am not saying Kirk did better. I am saying folks like you that think Hayden scheduled that much more difficult that Kirk are not quite accurate.
 
Robowe said:
No, you simply are not following along. Iowa's scheduling changed under Hayden Fry. Kirk continued it. That was the point. There's nothing disengenuous about it.

You are thinking Hayden's numbers are so much bigger/better than Kirk's when he had nothing to do with about half of the Top 10/25 opponents that were schedule out of conference for him. I am not saying Kirk did better. I am saying folks like you that think Hayden scheduled that much more difficult that Kirk are not quite accurate.
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Dude, just stop already.
 
Lets see who will ignore these facts? Fry played in an easy B1G conference in his day. He faced 7 sub .500 teams and 2 good teams in conference games.

Here are the winning % of the B1G teams from ’79-’98 that Fry faced

Northwestern .274 VS winning%
Minnesota .374
Purdue .435
Indiana .447
MSU .478
Illinois .483
Wisconsin .487

Teams with over .500 winning%

Ohio st. .768
Michigan .755

Fry literally had to play 2 teams on a yearly basis that were even a .500 team, and only 3 teams when Penn St. joined the league and that was for only 6 of Fry’s 20 years.

The B1G that KF has coached in has way more parody in it. Only 3 teams (of the 11 that he has faced the majority of his career) are under .500. The rest are all over .500

Indiana .345
Illinois .401
Purdue .450

Teams with over .500 winning%

Minnesota .502
Northwestern .514
Michigan St. .608
Penn St. .632
Michigan .660
Wisconsin .708
Ohio St. .800
 
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