Call me a Sunshine Pumper

[NikeHawk21]

That's not true at all, he's hit some huge shots at the end of games

Really? I was just looking at individual games. Not a whole lot of big shots I could find.

Hit a big one in OT vs Michigan, but was 0-4 in the final 4 minutes of regulation.

I don't have the time to do it right now, but my guess is if you went thorough the stats of the last 4 minutes and OT of our close games you wouldn't like what you saw.

 

[Knight78]

No I haven't. I've never even been over on their forums there.

Easy enough for someone with computer skills to verify. All we have to do is crack the log file here and there and compare IP addresses. You can't really fake that; some think you can, but those with skills can track down the real IP address.

 

[Hawk5656]

Easy enough for someone with computer skills to verify. All we have to do is crack the log file here and there and compare IP addresses. You can't really fake that; some think you can, but those with skills can track down the real IP address.

Hopefully someone will do that and confirm. I'm not computer savvy enough to do it haha

 

[Knight78]

I agree 100%, I wish he would just leave me alone

You posted 11 times in this thread alone, none of them even remotely positive, before Dean made one post. He pointed out someone at Cyclone Fanatic posts the same text as you (I have checked as I have an account there). And Dean is bothering you? Perhaps if you wouldn't post so negative about everything some of us might even put up with your posts. I tend to skip right over them any more.

 

[Hawk5656]

You posted 11 times in this thread alone, none of them even remotely positive, before Dean made one post. He pointed out someone at Cyclone Fanatic posts the same text as you (I have checked as I have an account there). And Dean is bothering you? Perhaps if you wouldn't post so negative about everything some of us might even put up with your posts. I tend to skip right over them any more.

I'm one of the few people still defending Jok at this point it seems like. It's like some people don't understand who are good and bad players are anymore

 

[InGoodCo]

Jok is the best player on the team, right now and it's not close - You've said that. I agree with that. But he's also a Senior and leads the team in turnovers and doesn't make his team mates around him better when he's on the floor. Was he the best player on the team when he was Frosh? How bout when he was a Sophomore? How bout when he was a Junior? The answer is NO. He developed into what he is. You know who else did? Marble, White, Uthoff... and you're trying to sell us that there is NO ONE on the roster right now that Fran can develop into a player who could lead this team to the NCAA? I disagree

 

[deanvogs]

I agree 100%, I wish he would just leave me alone

If you were a man of your word you wouldn't have to worry about this. A long time ago you said you wouldn't respond to me or anything I said until I answered a questions you asked. I did not, and I will not answer that question, hoping that maybe, just maybe you were a man of your word.

 

[deanvogs]

Who really cares one way or the other? Every thread devolves into this crap. I'm tired of reading about it.

Seriously. It's old.

I agree. This place isn't moderated at all. 56 has been running his troll for a long time now, and nobody does anything, and he is shocked I troll him back in return???

 

[Robowe]

Jok is the best player on the team, right now and it's not close - You've said that. I agree with that. But he's also a Senior and leads the team in turnovers and doesn't make his team mates around him better when he's on the floor. Was he the best player on the team when he was Frosh? How bout when he was a Sophomore? How bout when he was a Junior? The answer is NO. He developed into what he is. You know who else did? Marble, White, Uthoff... and you're trying to sell us that there is NO ONE on the roster right now that Fran can develop into a player who could lead this team to the NCAA? I disagree

That's the part that 56 never acknowledges. Players are only as good as the teams that recruited them, and most don't get that much better. For example, even when I pointed out a player like Bryant McIntosh (Northwestern) was actually rated worse defensively as a freshman than Jordan Bohannon (even though he said JBo was the worst defender he ever saw), JBo can never become as good defensively as McIntosh because he's 2 inches shorter and didn't have better offers coming out of HS.

I think that is a bit short-sided. I think JBo can get somewhat better on his own, and will also improve his defensive rating if the TEAM gets better defensively as well. Will he ever become great? No, probably not. Can he improve along with the rest of the team? Yes. He thinks there is no way they can become better than last year's team (starting 4 seniors and a junior) while looking at this team as mostly freshman/sophomores. I think that is short sided as well.

By the way, I do think Jok makes his teammates better at times. His assists (8 vs Purdue, 5 vs Nebraska, 8 @Michigan State) shows that at times, he is able to draw the defense and find open teammates for scores. Consistency is an issue (as it is with the entire team). That is normal for a team as young as Iowa.

 

[1977Hawkeye]

I agree. This place isn't moderated at all. 56 has been running his troll for a long time now, and nobody does anything, and he is shocked I troll him back in return???

Yeah, I just want to talk some Hawkeye hoops. It won't all be positive because we all have differing opinions, and that's fine, but people need to just make their point and move on, not argue the point for 6 pages in every thread.

 

[InGoodCo]

Being right on the internet is very important!

 

[Hawk5656]

That's the part that 56 never acknowledges. Players are only as good as the teams that recruited them, and most don't get that much better. For example, even when I pointed out a player like Bryant McIntosh (Northwestern) was actually rated worse defensively as a freshman than Jordan Bohannon (even though he said JBo was the worst defender he ever saw), JBo can never become as good defensively as McIntosh because he's 2 inches shorter and didn't have better offers coming out of HS.

I think that is a bit short-sided. I think JBo can get somewhat better on his own, and will also improve his defensive rating if the TEAM gets better defensively as well. Will he ever become great? No, probably not. Can he improve along with the rest of the team? Yes. He thinks there is no way they can become better than last year's team (starting 4 seniors and a junior) while looking at this team as mostly freshman/sophomores. I think that is short sided as well.

By the way, I do think Jok makes his teammates better at times. His assists (8 vs Purdue, 5 vs Nebraska, 8 @Michigan State) shows that at times, he is able to draw the defense and find open teammates for scores. Consistency is an issue (as it is with the entire team). That is normal for a team as young as Iowa.

McIntosh is a better athlete and bigger than Bohannon. Of course he has a higher defensive ceiling

 

[1977Hawkeye]

Being right on the internet is very important!

 

[Robowe]

McIntosh is a better athlete and bigger than Bohannon. Of course he has a higher defensive ceiling

But, McIntosh was a better athlete and bigger than Bohannon as a freshman too. Why did he rate worse then?

Whenever I pointed out that McIntosh's freshman rating was worse, you only pointed out that he got better and will be better than Bohannon. So, his height and athleticism made him better as the years went along, but not as a freshman. What happens if Jordan grows? He has the potential to grow a couple of inches since he is the smallest of the 4 brothers by 2-3 inches at least.

 

[Hawk5656]

But, McIntosh was a better athlete and bigger than Bohannon as a freshman too. Why did he rate worse then?

Whenever I pointed out that McIntosh's freshman rating was worse, you only pointed out that he got better and will be better than Bohannon. So, his height and athleticism made him better as the years went along, but not as a freshman. What happens if Jordan grows? He has the potential to grow a couple of inches since he is the smallest of the 4 brothers by 2-3 inches at least.

Because he was bad at defense would be my assumption. I'm also under the assumption Jordan will not get taller

 

[Robowe]

Because he was bad at defense would be my assumption. I'm also under the assumption Jordan will not get taller

So, how do you improve at defense? How did someone like McIntosh get better? Is that same potential (on a lesser scale) possible for a player like Bohannon? I am not saying he will become as good, but he can improve (along with the rest of team). You basically have said JBo is bad at defense and he won't improve much. How do you know that? If his teammates improve defensively, his own rating will improve all by itself (we know this from the DRate calculation).

 

[NikeHawk21]

Yeah, I just want to talk some Hawkeye hoops. It won't all be positive because we all have differing opinions, and that's fine, but people need to just make their point and move on, not argue the point for 6 pages in every thread.

I totally agree. I think it would be that way without 5656. I've disagreed with plenty of people on here and we usually just say our point and move on. Most people just like talking Iowa hoops.

Unfortunately, 5656 ruins every thread with his one sentence replies trying to get a response out of someone and derail the thread. I mean the guy is going to post over 100 times today I would guess, with the majority of it just useless drivel trying to incite a reply. As a Cyclown fan trying to troll an Iowa board he is the lowest of low.

I like where @deanvogs head was at with the don't respond to 5656 thread. Maybe we should make a thread where we will agree to block/ignore the clown troll.

 

[Hawk5656]

So, how do you improve at defense? How did someone like McIntosh get better? Is that same potential (on a lesser scale) possible for a player like Bohannon? I am not saying he will become as good, but he can improve (along with the rest of team). You basically have said JBo is bad at defense and he won't improve much. How do you know that? If his teammates improve defensively, his own rating will improve all by itself (we know this from the DRate calculation).

Technique, footwork and later quickness. I don't think Bohannon has a very high defensive ceiling because of his limitations.

 

[LGEND24]

His turnover percentage is 12.4% which is 3rd best on the team behind Ellingson and Baer but I get it that it's standard around here to throw seniors under the bus so the hope can be there for next year

Seniors are held to a higher standard...as they should be.

 

[Locker67]

Terrible on so many levels, it's ridiculous to watch...

Then don't watch.