CALL A TIMEOUT!

It doesn't matter that Wisconsin knew we needed a three. With a screen here and a screen there you should be able to get a guy with a look much better than Bryce had. All I am asking is at least give yourself a chance at a look. A T.O. should have been called as soon as Bryce crossed half court. No question.
 
Here are my problems with it:

1. Cartwright is a drive and shoot PG
2. Cartwright is NOT a drive and dish or assist PG naturally
3. By not calling a TO you left the game in the hands of a PG who was mentally confused (see the hesitation and looking at the bench) before taking the last shot.
4. Because of #2 you are basically putting the outcome of the game in the hands of a guy who isn't going to look to involve his teammates and is a bad perimeter shooter himself.

Credit goes to Wisconsin and Taylor. I think down the stretch the difference in this game was one team had a traditional floor general point guard while the other has a skilled 2/scoring PG when it needed a floor general.

At the end of the day I measure the greatness of a PG less on how much he scores but how good he is at getting others the ball in positions where they can score. Cartwright has played well from an assist standpoint the last few games but that isn't his skillset. He is being forced to be something he isn't and at times it hurts this team when he lapses from the discipline it takes to play PG.

iahawk72
 
If you call a TO at the end of OT, Wisconsin tells their guys to foul since they are up 3. It is much less likely to make the first FT, miss the 2nd, get the rebound and make a basket than it is to make a 3 pointer in a scramble situation. Seems pretty simple to me.
 
Hawkstrat said:
Wouldn't Bo just tell his guys to foul before the shot, not allowing Iowa a chance to tie it up?
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I'll still take Gatems with a good look from 25 ft over what happened. I know hindsight is 20/20 but I think the staff had multiple opportunities to use to's and they chose to not use them.

Gatens had the ball with 50 secs left and the shot clock running down...we coul dhave called a timeout with 10 secs on the shot clock (because we had 3 remaining with under 1 min) and chose to let him drive and slip. That possession hurt us more than ot.
 
I think he went with his gut. Unfortunately for us his gut was wrong, twice.

Fran trusts Bryce and his trust almost paid of in regulation Bryce barely missed that shot.

In OT Wisconsin had everyone covered I give them credit. I think Fran was hoping someone would be left uncovered in a frantic situation, no pun intended.
 
Maybe we should start a Fire Fran Website now just to be safe??? I didn't have a problem with either situation. I don't think there was enough time to get a good shot at the end of OT if a timeout were called.
 
iahawk72 said:
Here are my problems with it:

1. Cartwright is a drive and shoot PG
2. Cartwright is NOT a drive and dish or assist PG naturally
3. By not calling a TO you left the game in the hands of a PG who was mentally confused (see the hesitation and looking at the bench) before taking the last shot.
4. Because of #2 you are basically putting the outcome of the game in the hands of a guy who isn't going to look to involve his teammates and is a bad perimeter shooter himself.

Credit goes to Wisconsin and Taylor. I think down the stretch the difference in this game was one team had a traditional floor general point guard while the other has a skilled 2/scoring PG when it needed a floor general.

At the end of the day I measure the greatness of a PG less on how much he scores but how good he is at getting others the ball in positions where they can score. Cartwright has played well from an assist standpoint the last few games but that isn't his skillset. He is being forced to be something he isn't and at times it hurts this team when he lapses from the discipline it takes to play PG.

iahawk72
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I could be a great PG if I have great talent around me. Look at the Indiana game... Gatens had a shot at 3 to clinch and he missed the shot. Cartwright clinched the game. If you want to just look at better 3 point shooters of course Gatens is the guy you want taking the shot but keep in mind the defense has this same information.
 
iahawk72 said:
Here are my problems with it:

Credit goes to Wisconsin and Taylor. I think down the stretch the difference in this game was one team had a traditional floor general point guard while the other has a skilled 2/scoring PG when it needed a floor general.
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Just because Taylor is better than Cartwright doesn't mean mean that Bryce is not a true PG. Taylor is being discussed as an All-American candidate-- the fact that he outplayed a juco transfer down the stretch shouldn't make us question Bryce's suitability as a floor manager.

I would argue that the difference down the stretch was that Wisconsin has better shooters, bigger players, and more experience. That and they made 8 3-pointers and we made one.
 
When you are down 3 with 6 seconds to go, you have to call the timeout. There are so many set plays to get Gatens or May open on that.

Instead you get a heave.

One thing I will point out - the fact that Iowa fans are talking about this means you care about Iowa BB. That is awesome.

If you were nervous at the end of the game, that's awesome.
 
olivecourt said:
Just because Taylor is better than Cartwright doesn't mean mean that Bryce is not a true PG. Taylor is being discussed as an All-American candidate-- the fact that he outplayed a juco transfer down the stretch shouldn't make us question Bryce's suitability as a floor manager.

I would argue that the difference down the stretch was that Wisconsin has better shooters, bigger players, and more experience. That and they made 8 3-pointers and we made one.
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I agree..I think Bryce has proven he can play in the Big Ten and I am very happy to have him for another year...Cartwright wasn't even guarding Taylor most of the game so I'm not sure that he was outplayed at all. Fran chose to play a bigger defender on Taylor like May and Marble..we defended him well.
 
I don't understand why everyone is getting so pissy with this.

Yes, a TO should have been called and a set play running Gatens off a screen would have been the best option but what happens if we win? The answer is nothing so I say put the kids in tough spots, let them learn from the mistakes and build on a **** and vinegar mentality.....it sucked but we also need to understand that this is a learning year. Fran and the rest of the group on the bench know what they are doing.
 
I think great coaching. Fran and his staff is getting him to play the way a great point guard plays and that is using drives to the basket to find open guys. My points isn't that he can't be a assist-first PG, my point is that he isn't one naturally.

Iowa wouldn't have won 2 Big Ten games in a row and almost a 3rd without him to be sure but that doesn't make him infallible. For the record I thought his drive and pull-up jumper at the end of regulation was the shot he should be taking because that is his natural game there. Earlier in the season he was taking those more frequently and at times on 3-2 or 2-1 fast breaks he was not even acknowledging his teammates when he was leading the break. Just seemed unorthodox for a PG or at least my vision of a 'traditional' point guard.

I think Iowa's lineup will be interesting next year when you can have Payne at point guard and Bryce at shooting guard. I like Cartwright's game just not at point guard. And that isn't his fault that he has been put in the position of being the closest thing to a point guard this team has right now.

So to answer you question, Bryce Cartwright is getting excellent coaching to overcome his shoot first mentality. That is how I see it.

iahawk72


storminspank said:
How is he leading the Big Ten in assists then?
I'll await your response.
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From Fran's post game, it sounds like they must have a play that they've worked on in practice for situations like that, and it just didn't come together. Which would explain Cartwright looking to the bench, because the play there were expected to run just didn't materialize. I have little doubt that Bryce was not the guy Fran wanted taking that shot. BC is definitely the guy you want with the ball in a situation like the end of regulation. That play was brilliant. Sometime it falls (and with BC it usually does), and sometime it doesn't. It happens.

I can't even imagine how nuts the place would have gone if that shot had fallen, though. Wow.
 
storminspank said:
When you are down 3 with 6 seconds to go, you have to call the timeout. There are so many set plays to get Gatens or May open on that.

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During the post game Fran said they had a play called, but by the time it was obvious that it was busted, there wasn't enough time to call a TO and set it up again.
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I wanted a timeout called, but if fran did have play called previously then I think it's the right call. Here's what he said from the presser.

Q. Did you think about taking a timeout coming out of overtime?
COACH McCAFFERY: No, I did not. I don’t usually do that. We had a play called. In retrospect, maybe we I don’t remember how much time was left when Bryce shot it, probably only about two seconds, because he didn’t push it quickly enough. We did not execute the play correctly, so maybe right then you call a timeout and you’ve got the ball because he’s way up almost to the tensecond line and you’re right there, maybe we could have shot a three and get a better look at one. We would have liked to have gotten a better shot there.
 
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WhitUp said:
I wanted a timeout called, but if fran did have play called previously then I think it's the right call. Here's what he said from the presser.

Q. Did you think about taking a timeout coming out of overtime?
COACH McCAFFERY: No, I did not. I don’t usually do that. We had a play called. In retrospect, maybe we I don’t remember how much time was left when Bryce shot it, probably only about two seconds, because he didn’t push it quickly enough. We did not execute the play correctly, so maybe right then you call a timeout and you’ve got the ball because he’s way up almost to the tensecond line and you’re right there, maybe we could have shot a three and get a better look at one. We would have liked to have gotten a better shot there.
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He also added that at that point (when the play was busted) he didn't want to call timeout only to find that he had .2 of a second left (leaving us ZERO chance).
 
the real problem is Cartwright forgets how to pass the dam ball in crunch time and takes the shot himself
 
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