CALL A TIMEOUT!

[HawkI101]

I don't have a problem with just going at the end of overtime. The end of regulation is where a TO should've been taken and an actual set play.

You got it flipped around. At the end of regulation, that was the time to just let them play which Fran did, we were tied and could do no worse than going to OT. Wisky is a good defensive team, if you take a timeout you may not even get the ball in. We had the ball in the hands of the guy we wanted it in and got a great shot. Totally the right coaching call, IMO.

Now in OT, that was a different matter. Down by 3 you need a 3 we should have got a TO there to set up and make sure we got the best look we could. I have no problem with letting them play too, but as soon as Fran saw Cartwright cross half-court with no urgency, he should have called TO right there, but then again you have to get the ball inbounds against a good defensive team.

 

[glidinghawk]

I think Iowa's lineup will be interesting next year when you can have Payne at point guard and Bryce at shooting guard. I like Cartwright's game just not at point guard. And that isn't his fault that he has been put in the position of being the closest thing to a point guard this team has right now.

iahawk72

I don't think we'll see Cartwright and Payne on the court at the same time too often. Iowa needs two big guys in the starting five. The Hawks need Cartwright at the point, Gatens at the shooting guard, May at the (very) small forward, and Basabe, who is also under-sized at 6'7" at PF. Brommer will probably move to the post. He will be the tallest player on the team at 6'9" Payne will be a good back up to Bryce.

 

[Igothawked]

If you call a TO at the end of OT, Wisconsin tells their guys to foul since they are up 3. It is much less likely to make the first FT, miss the 2nd, get the rebound and make a basket than it is to make a 3 pointer in a scramble situation. Seems pretty simple to me.

I agree with this at the end of OT. I was surprised they didn't foul anyway.
My problem was with Fran not calling a timeout at the end of regulation. All you need is a basket or some free throw attempts. Fran and this team are good at setting up plays in dead ball situations. The end of regulation a timeout should have been called with 8-10 seconds left. I know Cartwright got a decent shot off, it just didn't fall. But I think you have to try and set up a play in that situation going for the win.

 

[Section136]

If you call a TO at the end of OT, Wisconsin tells their guys to foul since they are up 3. It is much less likely to make the first FT, miss the 2nd, get the rebound and make a basket than it is to make a 3 pointer in a scramble situation. Seems pretty simple to me.

Ding Ding Ding. This right here.

 

[sodakhawkeye]

I would not call a timeout in that situation at all. The only benefit to a TO there is for Wisconsin to set up there defense. That scenario needs to be practiced and on the rebound they go. Every team in America has a play or 2 for that situation. If anything, call TO during the free throw situation.

Late in games we have been running Gatens out of the corner off double stagger screens, he can also cut baseline and there is an option for that. It looked like Bryce and matt were both looking towards that set, but Matt went baseline. You cant go baseline away from the ball with that little time left. I would have loved to have seen matt go to the ball and look at a dribble handoff situation.

 

[bpiercehawks]

I haven't read everyone's responses but here's my 2 cents. Cartwright's shot at the end of regulation was more than likely the best shot we could have asked for. He's been playing great and with terrific confidence. The shot at the end of OT was not what we would have liked, but my guess is that the players didn't execute what they were supposed to do. I was often hesitant to call a timeout in those situations as you then are required to inbound the basketball and that can be difficult at times. Great game that I'm still upset about losing. Welcome back, Hawkeye basketball!

 

[Rawkhawk73]

I haven't read everyone's responses but here's my 2 cents. Cartwright's shot at the end of regulation was more than likely the best shot we could have asked for. He's been playing great and with terrific confidence. The shot at the end of OT was not what we would have liked, but my guess is that the players didn't execute what they were supposed to do. I was often hesitant to call a timeout in those situations as you then are required to inbound the basketball and that can be difficult at times. Great game that I'm still upset about losing. Welcome back, Hawkeye basketball!

I agree. I was never a huge Bob Knight fan, but he is the winningest coach in the history of the game. The one thing he never did was call timeouts in the end of game situations. He always felt he had the advantage over the defense in that scenario because they drilled on end of game situations and knew what to run. When you call a timeout, several things can happen. First, you have to throw in from the side out-of-bounds and can't move.....possibly drawing a five second call if you can't get it in. Second, it gives the defense a chance to set up or, if they have multiple timeouts, they can see your alignment and offensive personnel and make a situational substitution to negate any advantage you might have. Finally, if you can't get the ball in on your offensive end, you end up having to throw it back over halfcourt, eating up valuable seconds.

All in all, if the team drills hard on end of game situations, they should know exactly what they need to run and don't need a timeout.

By the way, for those clamoring for a timeout, go back to what happened to Indiana against us. It gave us an opportunity to switch up our defense and they ended up having to call a second time out and the best shot they got was a contested 18 footer. Granted, Cartwright's was contested as well, but based on Fran's post-game presser, that was a result of the team not running the correct play not because of the lack of calling a timeout.

 

[Iowafarmgirl]

I have my doubts that Iowa had a play called and that they had practiced that play, because to me it looked like no one knew what the hell was going on! I have no problem pushing the ball when the team is prepared, but they clearly were not.

I also have my doubts that you want Cartwright taking that shot. He is great at getting to the iron, but not shaking a guy on the perimeter and taking a Dirk Nowitzki three.

 

[Rawkhawk73]

I have my doubts that Iowa had a play called and that they had practiced that play, because to me it looked like no one knew what the hell was going on! I have no problem pushing the ball when the team is prepared, but they clearly were not.

I also have my doubts that you want Cartwright taking that shot. He is great at getting to the iron, but not shaking a guy on the perimeter and taking a Dirk Nowitzki three.

You can doubt all you want, since that's what you're best at.

But what you just did was essentially call Fran a liar. He specifically said that the team did not run the play that was called. Period.

If you've ever been involved in the game of basketball, you'd know that most teams drill this situation quite a bit. You have a couple plays based on if it's a 2 point game or a 3 point game. The play called is also dictated by if they're running zone or man.

I'd be willing to bet that the play was NOT to have Bryce take the 3, but it's obvious that he panicked a little bit. It happens. He then realized there wasn't enough to get the play call going so he tried to create. Credit Taylor for standing his ground defensively and not fouling.

 

[DuffMan]

Obviously we didn't get the shot we wanted and it didn't work out but I'm fine with not taking a time after the second miss. Cartwright is at his best taking it to the hole freelancing and that is what the situation called for, I just wish he had done that.

If you are going to take a time out you should do it after thie first shot just to say ok if he misses put the ball in Bryces hands and Bryce go get a shot. If he makes it you want to make sure the guys know they need a three and try and draw something up to get someone open.

 

[Section136]

The thing I didnt like about the last sequence in OT was what Gatens did. With about 3 seconds left he is in the corner by the Iowa bench. What he should have done was work towards the ball and try to get the ball from Cartwright for a 3.

Instead he takes off running along the baseline and there is no way that he could have ran the baseline, curled up around the top of the key and got the ball in a position to shoot in the 3 or so seconds that he had.

 

[Iowafarmgirl]

The thing I didnt like about the last sequence in OT was what Gatens did. With about 3 seconds left he is in the corner by the Iowa bench. What he should have done was work towards the ball and try to get the ball from Cartwright for a 3.

Instead he takes off running along the baseline and there is no way that he could have ran the baseline, curled up around the top of the key and got the ball in a position to shoot in the 3 or so seconds that he had.

I noticed that too, since I was staring at him the netire play since I was 100% sure he HAD to take the shot and I was slapping my head. Whatever play they had called needs serious work, because Bryce wasn't the only guy lost on the floor. You would expect Gatens, the veteran shooter, to know his role on that play.

 

[DaBears]

I noticed that too, since I was staring at him the netire play since I was 100% sure he HAD to take the shot and I was slapping my head. Whatever play they had called needs serious work, because Bryce wasn't the only guy lost on the floor. You would expect Gatens, the veteran shooter, to know his role on that play.

This falls back on the coaches. Fran really dropped the ball in this situation; he panic just like the players did. You're gonna tell me a head coach wouldnt remind his players(before the free throws) what to do if he misses the second shot or atleast call a timeout after the miss to run a play?!?! We're lucky we even got a shot off. Wisconsin looked stunned/relieved that everyone was just standing around.

 

[tweeterhawk]

This falls back on the coaches. Fran really dropped the ball in this situation; he panic just like the players did. You're gonna tell me a head coach wouldnt remind his players(before the free throws) what to do if he misses the second shot or atleast call a timeout after the miss to run a play?!?! We're lucky we even got a shot off. Wisconsin looked stunned/relieved that everyone was just standing around.

I'm fine with Fran not calling timeout either at the end of regulation or in OT. You have more of a chance of success getting the winning basket when you've got the defense on their heels wondering what you're going to do.

I'm going to guess the next time Iowa can tie or win on a shot with time running out, the players will have a much better idea of their roles.

 

[ShadasRevenge]

This falls back on the coaches. Fran really dropped the ball in this situation; he panic just like the players did. You're gonna tell me a head coach wouldnt remind his players(before the free throws) what to do if he misses the second shot or atleast call a timeout after the miss to run a play?!?! We're lucky we even got a shot off. Wisconsin looked stunned/relieved that everyone was just standing around.

You should really stop trying to convince everyone you're an Iowa fan; it's readily apparent that you're not.

In any event, Fran called the play he wanted on the Iowa last possession in regulation. You could see him calling it as the Hawks got the ball into their end. Bryce missed the same shot (more or less) that he made against Indiana to beat them. If anything, you'd like to see him take the shot a bit sooner to give the Hawks a chance at the rebound.

 

[deanvogs]

I thought letting them play in regulation was the right move, as we were tied, worse case we go to OT. I thought we needed a TO in the OT though. Now though, I'm not sure. Give the defense the chance to cause a turnover on the inbounds. If we do get it inbounded, they just need to foul right away. We go to the line down 3. Since we didn't call timeout, not one of the Wisky players even though about fouling, so it took that option away.

Either way I am fine with Fran's judgement. He knows how to coach, he has the feel for the game as he was a player also. Cartwright makes either jumper in regulation or OT, Fran is a genius....he misses, Fran is the goat, and that is just the way it works....

 

[Iowafarmgirl]

You should really stop trying to convince everyone you're an Iowa fan; it's readily apparent that you're not.

In any event, Fran called the play he wanted on the Iowa last possession in regulation. You could see him calling it as the Hawks got the ball into their end. Bryce missed the same shot (more or less) that he made against Indiana to beat them. If anything, you'd like to see him take the shot a bit sooner to give the Hawks a chance at the rebound.

I have no problem with the lack of the TO, and I agree that Fran called a play he wanted, but it was executed really, really poorly. Either the wrong play was called, or the players didn't know what to do. Either way, I tend to agree that the coaches dropped the ball here, which is disapointing because they game planned UW perfectly. Even if the call was for Bryce to take the shot, there is no concievable reason Gatens should be near the basket, at the very least as a valuable decoy.

 

[SwirlinLingerie]

This isn't football - it usually isn't in your best interest to call a timeout, reset, and run a play, particularly when you need a three.

Run some screens for Gatens? Gatens is kind of slow. Wisconsin knows Iowa needs a three (they discuss all these things during the timeout), Wisconsin just switches on the screen, ensuring Gatens (or whoever else is behind the line) is guarded while the man setting the screen closer to the basket can be left open...five seconds are nearly up, we have to toss the ball in bounds to a guarded man, who heaves it from 24 feet while falling away...

And we all ask why didn't Fran let Cartwright scramble instead of calling a timeout? Let your best player make a play. Fran gave him the chance.

 

[tm3308]

This isn't football - it usually isn't in your best interest to call a timeout, reset, and run a play, particularly when you need a three.

Run some screens for Gatens? Gatens is kind of slow. Wisconsin knows Iowa needs a three (they discuss all these things during the timeout), Wisconsin just switches on the screen, ensuring Gatens (or whoever else is behind the line) is guarded while the man setting the screen closer to the basket can be left open...five seconds are nearly up, we have to toss the ball in bounds to a guarded man, who heaves it from 24 feet while falling away...

And we all ask why didn't Fran let Cartwright scramble instead of calling a timeout? Let your best player make a play. Fran gave him the chance.

Personally, I think that for future reference Cartwright should just take it to the rack if we got in that situation again (play called, need 3, play's busted, no TO). Try to get two and the foul (much better chance with that than having Cartwright throw up a contested 3). Since the play was so hectic to begin with, a Wisky player might foul him, rather than giving him the two points. We call timeout, and Ryan is making sure that nobody fouls on a drive to the hoop.