Caleb Brown MIA

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He didn't dress today and he's not with the team. Kirk said one word, (its) personal.

I'll speculate OK? He got an ear full about dropping a pass. His feelings are hurt and he's pouting...not only about what happened but about his choice of a team to play for
 
He was highly rated, wasn’t that good. Transferred to Iowa thinking he’d waltz in and be the man.

Jokes on him, we dont throw to WRs and Hill really doesn’t.
 
Yea, if Kurt responded with that, I'm sure he's prob not going to end well. I'm starting to think maybe he wasn't really that good to begin with as well.
 
You never know, it could be a death in the family, which is sad news, but would have no long-term effect on his status with the team. But if that was the case, wouldn't Kirk just say that?
 
he's got a conundrum. on the one hand, he was highly recruited and recruited by OSU, he knew he wouldn't play and wanted to play, goes to Iowa where he figured he would get on the field sooner than later. Turns out its later. Stay with Iowa? and hope he plays and even if he plays will the system allow much for him anyway...or hit the road and have to answer questions like 'so why didn't you get on the field at Iowa? you not good enough? you not a competitor? No easy answers, pride before the fall.
 
Does anyone know how this impacts his NIL, assuming he is in fact leaving?

Hard to imagine that an NIL contract wouldn't stipulate a return of the money if a player voluntarily leaves.
 
#1DieHardHawk said:
Does anyone know how this impacts his NIL, assuming he is in fact leaving?

Hard to imagine that an NIL contract wouldn't stipulate a return of the money if a player voluntarily leaves.
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Well, MSU players lost their NIL when the head man went down.
 
#1DieHardHawk said:
Does anyone know how this impacts his NIL, assuming he is in fact leaving?

Hard to imagine that an NIL contract wouldn't stipulate a return of the money if a player voluntarily leaves.
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No way they make him pay back the money. When you quit your job do you pay back wages they paid you? Come on.

Paying someone NIL is a gamble that rich people take. You’re gonna lose some and—like craps or roulette—if you can’t afford to lose you ought not play.
 
Fryowa said:
No way they make him pay back the money. When you quit your job do you pay back wages they paid you? Come on.

Paying someone NIL is a gamble that rich people take. You’re gonna lose some and—like craps or roulette—if you can’t afford to lose you ought not play.
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I would guess that NIL contracts are more like "personal services" contracts. Unlike the more typical employer situations personal service contracts frequently contain claw back provisions.

Harmon and Mitchell had to repay Iowa for their scholarships and I think the University's legal fees incurred in the Harmon/Mitchell investigation. Not certain about the legal fees.
 
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Fryowa said:
No way they make him pay back the money. When you quit your job do you pay back wages they paid you? Come on.

Paying someone NIL is a gamble that rich people take. You’re gonna lose some and—like craps or roulette—if you can’t afford to lose you ought not play.
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I doubt that's a good analogy.

If you contract for services for a set amount of time, say a year, and the signee backs out, most contracts would at the very least allow you to stop payment beyond services already rendered and potentially recoup money paid in advance.

I honestly don't know how it works with NIL from a legal standpoint, but find it an interesting situation.
 
Teddy said:
I would guess that NIL contracts are more like "personal services" contracts. Unlike the more typical employer situations personal service contracts frequently contain claw back provisions.

Harmon and Mitchell had to repay Iowa for their scholarships and I think the University's legal fees incurred in the Harmon/Mitchell investigation. Not certain about the legal fees.
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Harmon repaid his scholarship as a deal with prosecutors in return for immunity and testifying against Norby. There was nothing whatsoever contractually about having to pay back a scholarship if you get kicked off the team, and scholarships today don’t have that language in the paperwork either.
 
#1DieHardHawk said:
I doubt that's a good analogy.

If you contract for services for a set amount of time, say a year, and the signee backs out, most contracts would at the very least allow you to stop payment beyond services already rendered and potentially recoup money paid in advance.

I honestly don't know how it works with NIL from a legal standpoint, but find it an interesting situation.
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Stopping payment is one thing and should be obvious, repayment of money already received? Ain’t gonna happen.
 
Fryowa said:
Harmon repaid his scholarship as a deal with prosecutors in return for immunity and testifying against Norby. There was nothing whatsoever contractually about having to pay back a scholarship if you get kicked off the team, and scholarships today don’t have that language in the paperwork either.
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Mitchell repaid his scholarship as well. They were both connected to Norby. I guess the players have all the leverage now. Man, I would find it hard to give children that kind of money without a claw back provision, but it's a strange new world.
 
Fryowa said:
Stopping payment is one thing and should be obvious, repayment of money already received? Ain’t gonna happen.
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You may be right. It certainly could if you've got a very shrewd negotiator but, like I said above: I didn't factor in the shifting leverage between 1982 and 2023.

If they really do socialize the NIL with team caps I suspect those claw-back provisions will return.
 
Teddy said:
Mitchell repaid his scholarship as well. They were both connected to Norby. I guess the players have all the leverage now. Man, I would find it hard to give children that kind of money without a claw back provision, but it's a strange new world.
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Mitchell was the same deal. It was pay back the scholarship and testify against Norby or go to prison. Had nothing to do with the U or any provisions of being given a scholarship.

I get what you’re saying, but the minute they start putting conditions on the money kids are going to go elsewhere, and they know it. nIL is a rich man’s gamble just like NFL salaries. And if he didn’t commit a crime or do something morally degenerate, what’s the big deal? Win some/lose some.
 
Boy everyone is sure jumping the gun on this... Do we know anything more than he wasn't with the team on game day? Did he not practice all week leading up to the game or no? I've literally only heard one quote from KF on it saying he wasn't there Saturday for personal issues. That's pretty vague. Guys have left team for deaths in the family and other real life issues before. These kids aren't robots they have lives. Now maybe he did leave due to being unhappy and he's got one foot in the portal heck if I know. When's KF hit the media again tomorrow? I suspect he'll get grilled about it more then
 
Fryowa said:
No way they make him pay back the money. When you quit your job do you pay back wages they paid you? Come on.

Paying someone NIL is a gamble that rich people take. You’re gonna lose some and—like craps or roulette—if you can’t afford to lose you ought not play.
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No, but retention bonus, loan repayment- things like that are often recouped
 
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