BTN's Top 5 QBs from the past 5 years.

hawkeyescott said:
The comment wasn't deleted and he answered it:

Nick – No one ever said Greene was left off because he only played one season. Instead, he was left out of top 5 (included in Next 5) because there were so many great running backs, ones with multiple very strong seasons. The pool was a lot deeper than it was at QB. If there were the same number of true candidates at RB as there were at QB, Greene would have made the list.

I don't agree with him, but at least he did have the stones to answer the question and not back away from it.
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It was deleted but then it was put back up, as I addressed in a previous post. It's likely someone other than the author took it down and the author put it back up because he wanted to address it.
 
Didn't we recently find out that Clark lost all of his games from the NCAA? Did the same thing happen for T Pryor in 2010? Lot of losers on that list. The Greene thing is still ridiculous.
 
The problem that encourages mockery of this guy is his lack of standard criteria. You can have whatever criteria you want, for whatever stupid list you got, but the criteria you list, and the criteria you argue shouldn't keep shifting to fit whatever front-runner team you want to support. When you do you lose credibility. If he had a normal blog his lack of credibility would be fine, he blogs for the btn, which means you'd think they would care a little about his credibility.
 
I can't come up with an argument that justifies Russell Wilson second on this list. Cousins was way better and way more important as a Big Ten QB than Russell Wilson. Wilson was a mediocre QB for NCState who got the benefit of a weak schedule, a great offensive line, and one of the best running back cores in the country. He was a mediocre QB who put up great numbers for one season. Stanzi not making that list is insane anyway you set the criteria.
 
iloveyoularrystation said:
The problem that encourages mockery of this guy is his lack of standard criteria. You can have whatever criteria you want, for whatever stupid list you got, but the criteria you list, and the criteria you argue shouldn't keep shifting to fit whatever front-runner team you want to support. When you do you lose credibility. If he had a normal blog his lack of credibility would be fine, he blogs for the btn, which means you'd think they would care a little about his credibility.
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As I understand this was a tip on future BTN shows by the blog. If so, the BTN as well as the blog has lost some cred.
 
What a disgrace...I mean, Stanzi led the country in interceptions and pick sixes his junior year. What more do you have to do to make this list?

He also allowed some of the best defenses Iowa has ever had to win games for him. That's the mark of a true leader.

I'm outraged.
 
iloveyoularrystation said:
I can't come up with an argument that justifies Russell Wilson second on this list. Cousins was way better and way more important as a Big Ten QB than Russell Wilson. Wilson was a mediocre QB for NCState who got the benefit of a weak schedule, a great offensive line, and one of the best running back cores in the country. He was a mediocre QB who put up great numbers for one season. Stanzi not making that list is insane anyway you set the criteria.
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You seriously don't catch much football outside of the Big Ten, do you?

Lots of "mediocre" QB's face weak schedules. But only Wilson has posted a better QB rating than Drew Brees.

But if Wilson is your definition of mediocre, then I can't imagine what a great QB can do. He posted pretty good numbers while at NC State, and did so with practically no help (NC State's running game has been atrocious ever since T.A. McLendon's freshman year, 2002).
 
iloveyoularrystation said:
Watch a lot of college football tm but thanks for playing.
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And yet Russell Wilson was mediocre. Only someone who rarely watched him play could say that. There's a reason his announcement to transfer was such a big deal, and Wisconsin's landing him was such a coup.
 
tm3308 said:
And yet Russell Wilson was mediocre. Only someone who rarely watched him play could say that. There's a reason his announcement to transfer was such a big deal, and Wisconsin's landing him was such a coup.
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Actually the reason his announcement to transfer to Wisconsin was such a big deal was because it was thought at the time that Wisconsin was a National Title Contender team missing a legitimate starting D1 Qb. Since a D1 QB who had started for 3 years at a previous school became their QB it was news because he was all they needed to make a title run. It was big news because they had a dominant oline, dominant running game, very talented defense, just didn't have an even mediocre starting qb. So now its news because they do have an at least mediocre starting qb with all those other pieces I mentioned. Wilson had a great year last year. Stanzi had a better career on teams with worse offenses. Some of which can be blamed on him, some of which can't.
 
iloveyoularrystation said:
Actually the reason his announcement to transfer to Wisconsin was such a big deal was because it was thought at the time that Wisconsin was a National Title Contender team missing a legitimate starting D1 Qb. Since a D1 QB who had started for 3 years at a previous school became their QB it was news because he was all they needed to make a title run. It was big news because they had a dominant oline, dominant running game, very talented defense, just didn't have an even mediocre starting qb. So now its news because they do have an at least mediocre starting qb with all those other pieces I mentioned. Wilson had a great year last year. Stanzi had a better career on teams with worse offenses. Some of which can be blamed on him, some of which can't.
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My God there is a lot of bias and butthurt on here. I love our Hawks. I think Stanzi was a very good QB. But c'mon, man!!!

Frickin' Russell Wilson completed 73% of his passes and had a 33/4 TD:INT ratio. You're right that landing him was big news because it made Wisconsin a title contender. He was one of the most efficient QBs in the ACC his three years playing at NC State. He was a great QB. Fact. Does he have quite as good of numbers without that running game? No, but one of Stanzi's years as a starter he had Shonn and Jewel combining for 2400 rush yards, and Ricky had a 14/9 TD:INT ratio that year. Wilson's first year starting at NC State? 17/1. Seventeen. To. One.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/russell-wilson-1.html

I do agree with the folks that are calling BS on Greene's exclusion for only playing one year. No meaningful distinction between he and Wilson.
 
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Some of these arguements about Wilson are kinda like saying Nebby is one of the best teams in the B1G because they've won a NT.
 
tm3308 said:
I didn't agree with his reasoning for leaving Greene off the list, but don't try to spin this as hypocritical. One year players are certainly eligible for these lists. But the guys who played more than one year have a little more muscle when it comes to making the top 5. But it's not a be-all, end-all, and he never claimed it to be. The depth of quality QB's also isn't as strong as it was for the running backs, either. That makes it easier for a guy like Wilson to get in, especially when he had the kind of year he did.
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Sure, one year players are "eligible". But do you REALLY believe Russell Wilson is the #2 QB in the BTN Era?
 
Best QBs - did the most with what they had. Forget records, vacated wins, bowls, etc... Who was the BEST quarterback?

1. Dan Persa
2. Russell Wilson
3. Ricky Stanzi
4. Kirk Cousins
5. Terelle Pryor
 
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