pythagoras
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Kirk now the 4th highest paid coach in the West. Oh man what are you idiots going to complain about now!
Brohm Staying at Purdue
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lightning1
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That's the ol' Rope-A-Dope on the dumbest AD on the planet.
lightning1
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The losses to the 3 higher paid coaches in the West. Duh.
lightning1
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Maybe. But his recruiting results are improving. Dramatically. If he is able to consistently recruit great (for Purdue) talent, it could easily turn into BIG Title game appearances. We'll have to wait and see how it shakes out.
Let's try it:
No doubters better than KF:
Urban Meyer
Jim Harbaugh
James Franklin
Paul Chryst
Pat Fitzgerald
Jeff Brohm
No doubters worse than KF:
Tom Allen
Chris Ash
Matt Canada
Debated with KF:
PJ Fleck
Scott Frost
Mark Dantonio
Lovie Smith
I think KF is probably better than Lovie Smith, although I'm being nice by including him here because Illinois was such a tire fire when he got there. 99% of football people today would probably argue that both Frost and Fleck are better than KF. Frost I'd agree (KF got completely outcoached in the second half with SF using inferior players) and Fleck I'm not sure. I don't think you can say FOR SURE that Dantonio is better, but I'd lean that way. I'd probably put KF 9th-10th in this list overall. So maybe not double digits, but maybe so. Again, kinda a problem.
JoeyLabasForPresident
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I disagree with your debated. Neither Frost nor Fleck have their programs anywhere near the consistency of Ferentz, though they could pass him. I doubt they will because I don’t have any faith in Fleck finding consistency or Frost being able to fix the culture issues in his program. Dantonio is basically Ferentz but scummy, so I give Ferentz the slight edge, but that’s simply based on my values. That puts Ferentz right around 7-8, which I think reflects where he is currently at. A big season or two pushes him up. 7 or fewer wins coupled with anyone listed below him over performing pushes him down. I don’t see how anyone can reasonably rank him in the bottom five. If you’ve got Ferentz listed in the bottom five then your bias is showing. Same if you have him any higher than 5-6.
The Nebraska game was closer than it should have been, but play that game five times and Iowa wins by more on average. I couple lucky breaks kept that game from being a blowout. Comparing Fleck to Ferentz is laughable. Get back to me when Minnesota is even remotely relevant. Maybe he gets there, but let’s not put the cart before the horse.
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Paul Chryst and Jeff Brohm are not no doubt better than KF. Paul Chryst took a #4 team and was worse than Iowa at the end of the year. Also, Dantonio is a better coach than Chryst and Brohm. I guess you're looking at head to head but if you're doing that KF is better than Harbaugh and equal to Urban Meyer.
MelroseHawkins
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Maybe but he has really earned my respect as many (Gene Chizdick) would have bolted. He felt committed to Purdue and stated the "timing was not right at this point" which I interpreted as ".....call me in a 4-5 years", which is fine. Not many would have stayed at Purdue with the facilities and all, but they are supposed to upgrade them. I really like that coach.
MelroseHawkins
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MelroseHawkins
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That's funny!
okeefe4prez
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Purdue being decent will be a huge problem for Iowa. Iowa has gotten some good players out of Indiana, like AJ Edds. A good Purdue program adds another competitor in the crowded Chicago area and that second cut of guys from Ohio who get shared by Wisconsin, Iowa and Michigan State will have another mouth to feed at the table. That is horrible for Iowa.
I hear you but honest question: Is Iowa even remotely relevant?
JoeyLabasForPresident
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Yes. Iowa is a couple years removed from being one play from the playoff and is a perennial contender for the west title. A couple things go our way and we are playing an OSU team that we matchup against fairly well this Saturday. Are we as relevant as we would like to be? No. But more relevant than the bottom four teams in the west? Not even a question.
Correct me if I'm wrong here:
Didn't Iowa have a losing record in the B1G last year?
Weren't they were 3-3 in the B1G West this season so they are basically the 4th best team in the division?
Didn't Iowa finish 4-4 in the B1G in 2014? 4th in the West division and 3 games behind Wisconsin who was 7-1?
I'm not sure if that qualifies as a perennial contender. Outside of 2015 have they went into the final week of any season with a chance to win the West title and go to Indianapolis?
JoeyLabasForPresident
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Okay, so in your opinion the only team that's a perennial contender for the west is Wisconsin? That's fine, but I disagree. It's an argument of semantics at this point.
My opinion is that Wisconsin has dominated the West. They've won 60% of the division titles but on a very small sample size.
My opinion is that Iowa is a mid-level West team. They have finished 4th, 1st, 2nd, 4th, & 4th since the West was formed.
Brohm has beaten KF both times they've faced each other, home and away. Both games were completely dictated by Purdue and how they wanted to play. Purdue has equal or lesser talent than Iowa on their team. That's coaching.
KF has bested Harbaugh one time, at home, at night. Can't take anything away from that. Paul Chryst is a good coach, but also has more talent on his roster than Iowa. So it's tough to say he's for sure better than KF.
It seems to me like you're determining based solely on legacy numbers. That doesn't really make much sense at all. Just because KF has been around longer doesn't make him a better coach at this time. That's like saying Andy Dalton is a better QB than Patrick Mahomes because Dalton has more career wins.
When you're talking programs, I don't see how you can put together any kind conclusion yet. Both Fleck and Frost are just starting up their programs. We won't know how they stack up for quite some time. Not sure how you're comparing the programs of a coach that's been around for 20 years and ones that have only had 1 or 2 years.
Where are you seeing that?
