BF reached out to Ahmad Wagner

Over on the basketball forum, @Fryowa detailed all of the challenges that will make it difficult for Wagner to go to any program and be an immediate contributor.

Playing receiver at a college level is more than being able to jump high and catch high school level rainbows. He'd all the sudden have to learn to shake D-1 defenders who are just as fast if not faster than him (no it's not the same as basketball), run routes, block, and catch laser passes that even veteran receivers struggle with. Some of you are making this overly simplistic. And before anyone gives me the "he was a top 300 football recruit," spiel, that's not relevant anymore. It may have been when he was a high school senior and had the chance to practice and develop for 4 years, but not anymore.
I agree with much of this. But to play Devil's advocate to his Devil's advocate, I can think of some reasons he could come in and contribute here at Iowa especially:
  • Last year we had 3 true freshmen get reps at WR; they were all multisport athletes who had never focused exclusively on FB (ISM gave up track his senior year to focus on FB skills); the coaching staff was able to get them up to speed soon enough to contribute
  • Unlike the above-mentioned true freshmen, Wagner will not have to adjust to D1 football AND college at the same time; that will make his path so much easier
  • Unlike the above-mentioned true freshmen, Wagner already has a grown-man's body and has benefited from 3 years of high-level strength and conditioning
  • Unlike the above-mentioned true freshmen, Wagner has already competed at the D1 level on a big stage, in a sport with a much more glaring spotlight than football
  • If Wagner made a decision soon, he could participate in most of spring football, and then catch from his future QB for 5 months before the season got under way

As far as how to use him, putting Wagner on the outside would probably come with the easiest learning curve. However, he would be a matchup nightmare if he played the same type of "move TE" position that Fant has played the last few years; Wagner is almost the exact same weight that Fant was at last season, and by motioning him and changing alignment, he could be isolated on LBs and safeties and exploit mismatches. That could either be while backing up Fant, or if Fant has improved enough as a blocker that he can play inline more, as a complement to Fant.

Then again, we probably need more help outside than at TE, as it sounds like Beyer is already ascending for that 3rd receiving TE position.
 
He needs to decide ASAP. Spring practice would be a good place to evaluate where things stand and whether he has a realistic shot as a wide receiver at Iowa. If Division I ball doesn't look realistic, he might look into some of the better Missouri Valley Conference teams or even one of the better NAIA teams.
 
I don't think WR is realistic at his size, but crazier things have happened.

I could see Fant going pro after this season if he has another 10+ touchdowns. That would leave an opening for 2019 at the TE spot along with Hockenson. So the potential for Wagner could be there.
 
or, take off running, count 10 steps and turn towards the sideline if the defender is on your inside shoulder, turn towards the inside if the defender is on your outside shoulder. And...if no one is guarding you, stop and turn around and wait for Nate to throw you the ball. Reverse it for the other side of the field.


10 steps? Really? That sounds a little too extreme for our playbook. Better make it 5
 
Gotta remember, in basketball Wagner is 6'7"... In football, probably more like 6'5"...

If he really IS 6'7", then he could be Iowa's version of James Hardy. Not sure why everyone assumes he is a TE. He had the speed in HS to play WR and run anchor on a state-winning 4 x 100 relay team.
 
So if he stays at Iowa and switches sports, he doesn't have to sit out a year? Let's say he heads back to his home state of Ohio and plays for OSU, does he have to sit out a year? Just curious if things are different since he is changing sports.
 
So if he stays at Iowa and switches sports, he doesn't have to sit out a year? Let's say he heads back to his home state of Ohio and plays for OSU, does he have to sit out a year? Just curious if things are different since he is changing sports.

Good question, didn't think of it that way. I he were to go to O$U, I'm sure the B1G and NCAA would "exempt" him o_O
 
Over on the basketball forum, @Fryowa detailed all of the challenges that will make it difficult for Wagner to go to any program and be an immediate contributor.

Playing receiver at a college level is more than being able to jump high and catch high school level rainbows. He'd all the sudden have to learn to shake D-1 defenders who are just as fast if not faster than him (no it's not the same as basketball), run routes, block, and catch laser passes that even veteran receivers struggle with. Some of you are making this overly simplistic. And before anyone gives me the "he was a top 300 football recruit," spiel, that's not relevant anymore. It may have been when he was a high school senior and had the chance to practice and develop for 4 years, but not anymore.
I agree with much of this. But to play Devil's advocate to his Devil's advocate, I can think of some reasons he could come in and contribute here at Iowa especially:
  • Last year we had 3 true freshmen get reps at WR; they were all multisport athletes who had never focused exclusively on FB (ISM gave up track his senior year to focus on FB skills); the coaching staff was able to get them up to speed soon enough to contribute
  • Unlike the above-mentioned true freshmen, Wagner will not have to adjust to D1 football AND college at the same time; that will make his path so much easier
  • Unlike the above-mentioned true freshmen, Wagner already has a grown-man's body and has benefited from 3 years of high-level strength and conditioning
  • Unlike the above-mentioned true freshmen, Wagner has already competed at the D1 level on a big stage, in a sport with a much more glaring spotlight than football
  • If Wagner made a decision soon, he could participate in most of spring football, and then catch from his future QB for 5 months before the season got under way

As far as how to use him, putting Wagner on the outside would probably come with the easiest learning curve. However, he would be a matchup nightmare if he played the same type of "move TE" position that Fant has played the last few years; Wagner is almost the exact same weight that Fant was at last season, and by motioning him and changing alignment, he could be isolated on LBs and safeties and exploit mismatches. That could either be while backing up Fant, or if Fant has improved enough as a blocker that he can play inline more, as a complement to Fant.

Then again, we probably need more help outside than at TE, as it sounds like Beyer is already ascending for that 3rd receiving TE position.
I would imagine that no matter where he starts it'll be quite the learning curve. I would hope when he starts visiting Doyle on the regular that they'd perhaps lean him down to a 225ish and see how fast they can get him. He has some strait line speed that's no joke. Have him work on a small package of plays for this year. Redzone jump ball stuff along with our fav bubble screens. Let him master those and get comfortable out there for his first year. No need to throw the whole playbook at him and expect him to just master every nuance of the position. Gradually build up to it. So the next yr you can find all sorts of ways to use him as maybe a 2nd or 3rd TE at times. Put him in motion so LBs are matched up on him. I mean the options a talent like that can be used is practically limitless. Wagner on one side Smith on the other Fant and Hockenson with Young in the backfield with Stanley at the trigger. We'd have one of the biggest across the board offenses in football yet a pretty darn athletic one.
 
I remember when Marvin McNutt moved from QB to WR...it was almost a complete year for him to start making an impact. Very similar bodies here. McNutt leaned up during the process, but it took him a year just to get the physical stamina to run routes consistently at this level. The one thing that Wagner has going for him is that he's already been running like crazy. It's the blocking and playbook thing that is going to be the issue...and does he have speed at this level to separate. I think he's physical though...so it would be cool to see him at 220 or so on the outside.

It's seriously intriguing.
 
BF must have reached out pretty good, becuase a little birdie told me he's at practice today

eta Not sure he was suited up.


That's funny I heard he just beat Fant in a 30 yard foot race. I thought it was a joke. Maybe not if he is really at a practice.
 
Wagner is a good athlete but I still wander how a kid that played football for 1 year in high school and then didn’t play for 2 years is going to adjust.

Can he read zone defenses?
Will his athleticism be enough to be a playmaker at the D1 level?

I have no issues with Wagner staying but I also won’t be heartbroken if he leaves.
 
It would be interesting to know if he is eligible to practice this spring. I'm assuming something would need to be signed before the semester started right. Not sure how that works. I honestly don't see any downside to staying at Iowa for Wagner. If he can't make it at Iowa...he isn't going any further. My thought is that he should end up at TE at some point...if he wanted to play pro ball. But you don't add 20lb in a summer and it's learning curve as your responsibilities are substantial in the running game.

If he want's to play WR...well..that is the easiest position on the field to make an impact. Honestly...if you break it down...running, jumping, cutting, catching. He's been doing that for three years...just a round ball.
 
It would be interesting to know if he is eligible to practice this spring. I'm assuming something would need to be signed before the semester started right. Not sure how that works. I honestly don't see any downside to staying at Iowa for Wagner. If he can't make it at Iowa...he isn't going any further. My thought is that he should end up at TE at some point...if he wanted to play pro ball. But you don't add 20lb in a summer and it's learning curve as your responsibilities are substantial in the running game.

If he want's to play WR...well..that is the easiest position on the field to make an impact. Honestly...if you break it down...running, jumping, cutting, catching. He's been doing that for three years...just a round ball.
IMO if he's going to play at Iowa, it's going to be at WR. He needs to learn the playbook and readjust to being a route-runner and a football player in general regardless, but to do that AND learn to block at the LOS and add another 10-20 lbs in just 2 years of eligibility is a tall order. Not to mention having to surpass two damn good tight ends in Fant and Hock, a solid up-and-comer in Beyer, and good potential in Cook, compared to a wide-open competition at WR with barely two proven options in Easley and ISM somewhat, in a position where he'd be a complete physical mismatch for anyone.
 
I agree about him at Wr...a "specialist" type wr. If he can catch, have 8-10 plays/packages he needs to know, and get him on the field. 6-7, 235, fast....he doesn't need to know the whole playbook right away...and he's got 5 months to learn, prep.

At absolute worst he's a huge target that could draw defenders and a safety. At best....we could have a package of 4-5 monster receivers/tight ends and a matchup nightmare.

I only wish he woulda made the jump a year ago...
 
The further you are away from the ball the less experience matters. Add that basketball players are generally more athletic than FB players and I see no reason Wagner can’t be an immediate impact player in 2017. I’m sorry but playing WR doesn’t take mental gymnastics. Run route, catch ball, run toward end zone. There are not even many blocking choices on the outside. There are no blitz pick ups.
 
I have visions of Randy Moss on the Vikings. Just chuck it up there and let him come down with it in the corner of the end zone. With Nate's arm and Wagner's size Iowa could be in the red zone on the 50.
 

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