Badger Football Hire a Lesson for Iowa?

JonDMiller

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Some of you won't care for this thought, but perhaps it merits some consideration:

Can Iowa learn anything from the Wisconsin coaching search and the man they have now hired, former Utah State coach Gary Andersen? When I say 'can Iowa learn' I am not necessarily talking about Athletic Director Gary Barta; I am thinking more about the fans who are so discontented with Kirk Ferentz right now that you'd like to see Iowa go in a different direction, thinking that the Iowa program can do better.

Do better than the second winningest coach in school history, one who led Iowa to back to back to back top ten finishes, who has had two teams win a school best 11 games, winner of an Orange Bowl, two Outback Bowls, a Capital One Bowl along with an Alamo and Insight Bowl for good measure.

Yes, I know Iowa is 11-14 over the past two seasons including a 4-8 campaign in 2012. I realize that the 2010 8-5 record will always be seen as a disappointment based on how much talent that team had and the fact that they either led or were tied in the fourth quarter of each of those five losses and all came by a touchdown or less.

Iowa is coming off its most successful decade in school history (with Ferentz at the helm), their facilities are nearly on par with the major college football programs in the nation (all that's left is the office space and new weight room coming in the second phase of the indoor facility, which will be completed by August of 2014) and they have shown a financial commitment in salary for their head coach which is among the biggest in the sport.

So what's the lesson in the Wisconsin hire?

For one, Gary Andersen wasn't on the short list for any Badger fan or writer I know. They had their sights set higher than the 48 year old head coach from Utah State. Had the Badgers not played Utah State earlier in this year they might not have even known there was a Utah State.

They were turned down by Miami's Al Golden and Barry Alvarez and Pitt coach Paul Chryst felt it wouldn't be right for Chryst to return to his native Madison after being the Pitt head coach for just one season, a job Alvarez helped Chryst procure. Oregon State's Mike Riley is believed to have been considered for the job but he stayed put.

The ESPN story linked above says that Andersen was Alvarez's top choice. That's what they all say, or try to say with a straight face.

Andersen has been Utah State's head coach for four years where they have run a spread offense. Utah State is 26-24 during his four years including this past season's 11-2 record including a 41-15 win over Toledo in last week's Potato Bowl. Prior to the Utah State job he was head coach at Southern Utah for one year in 2003. Other than that he had been an assistant at several schools we know little or nothing about and he has never spent time on the staff at a BCS conference...or in the MAC for that matter.

Utah State nearly beat Wisconsin this year, missing a 37-yard field goal late in the game after a horrible offensive pass interference call had pushed them back.

Gary Andersen may turn out to be a great hire and a great coach. Kirk Ferentz was not Iowa's first choice back in 1999 when he was hired. He certainly wasn't the first choice of the fan's; they wanted Bob Stoops and likely could have had him were it not for Iowa having a search committee and telling Stoops that they had committed to interviewing other candidates before making a decision. I believe Bob Bowlsby was seriously considering Terry Allen after that but thankfully boosters got wind of that and let it be known that would not be an acceptable hire.

You just never know how these things will work out in the end but 'Utah State Coach Gary Andersen' isn't the 'caliber' of coach Wisconsin fans believed they would be hiring when their job came open.

Should Iowa fans expect top flight candidates to line up outside their door whenever they have a head coaching vacancy? Let me rephrase that; should Iowa fans REALISTICALLY expect top flight candidates to line up outside their door whenever they have a head coaching vacancy? What does Iowa have that Wisconsin doesn't have right now?

The Badgers are making their third straight trip to the Rose Bowl, a place Iowa hasn't been since January 1st, 1991. The Badgers have won three straight league titles and the only two Big Ten championship games. This is Wisconsin's sixth Big Ten title since Barry Alvarez took over back in the early 1990's; Iowa has won three Big Ten titles during that time.

Madison is a great city, as is Iowa City. The fan support in Madison is great, just as it is at Iowa; both schools are among the top 10 or 15 bowl draws related to fan support. Wisconsin's facilities are not where Iowa's facilities are right now but changes are on the way.

The biggest advantage Iowa has in its quiver over Wisconsin, one that isn't at least debatable, is what it has paid its head football coach.

When Kirk Ferentz became one of the highest paid head coaches in the sport, I recall writing a column as to why that was very good for the future of Iowa football. The primary reasons were: a) Kirk Ferentz was a guy you wanted to keep around and b) the next time Iowa found itself looking for a coach, that level of financial commitment would help them overcome some inherent obstacles.

When the day comes for Iowa to hire a new football coach, do you think they are going to pay that new guy the $3.8 million per year they are paying Kirk Ferentz? I don't, unless Iowa hires a huge and established name away from a power program. The only person I could see doing something like that would be Bob Stoops, but I don't think that will happen. If a coach is doing well at a power program, he will have recruiting advantages in place at that program that Iowa simply does not and will not have. Why leave for a tougher job that might pay a few hundred thousand more dollars per year?

What is more likely for Iowa is what Wisconsin just went through...a process where you bump your head chasing after a few known names and coming up with someone from a lesser level.

For those of you screaming that it's time for Iowa to make a change (and I am not one of you), do you want to trade in what you know, what has been a pretty darned good thing for Iowa for the majority of the last 14 years, for what you don't know behind door number two?

This isn't 'Let's Make a Deal' here. You don't go home with a Popeil Whizzinator and the Let's Make a Deal board game if you choose poorly.

Wisconsin, like Iowa, is one bad hire away from a steep drop off. I realize the 4-8 season Iowa just went through is pretty bad and worse than what the Iowa program should have to suffer through in year 14 of the Kirk Ferentz era. The Hawkeyes have a lot to show to their fanbase next year as it relates to offensive (execution) philosophy next season. Attacking vertically in the passing game would be a good start. Another 4-8 type season where the offense is as bad as it was in 2012 will find more fans on or over the ledge than we are seeing right now.

I do feel things can get worse for Iowa, where a 4-8 season isn't a rarity. I don't think we'll see that again from a Ferentz-led Iowa team. I think he has one more 'run' in him before he grunts off into that good night.

But when that day comes, or if you want that day to come sooner rather than later, just remember this Wisconsin coaching search and the guy they ended up with; he wasn't on any Badger fan's radar two weeks ago when Bret Bielema decided to leave Madison for Arkansas.

That could be you.
 
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Timing made this challenging for Wisconsin. Doeren just got hired at NC State, or he would have been a natural choice. Alvarez is from Pittsburgh and is loyal to that area, or he might have gone after Chryst. Andersen will probably work out. Alvarez is a throwback who seems to have a knack for hiring coaches. He idolized Nebraska's Bob Devaney and patterned his career after the legendary Nebraska coach and AD. It won't surprise me if Wisconsin upsets Stanford and wins the Rose Bowl.
 
I could coach for Iowa?????

Yeah, I know.

I actually back mr KF. I'm not sure GD was the best hire ever, but KF has had some proud moments here, and I think he actually wins at least 7 next year. We have a decent team. Herby, post our roster, plz
 
Yeah, JD, there is a lesson for Iowa. The lesson is don't cave in to your coach when he tells you he wants mo' money to the point you end up with a $20 million buyout because the guy will quit working.

I still got beef with Gary Anderson. He was the kicker on my team the first year I did fantasy football (on paper before these kids started doing it through the Yahoo) and I remember he shanked a FG that cost me a critical game. I'll totally boo the hell out of that clown if he is in Kinnick the same time as me.
 
Wisconsin will hire Utah State head coach Gary Andersen to take over their football program. Gary Andersen? Is there a lesson (or warning) here for Iowa fans?

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I don't know what you are driving at with this Jon other than not knowing what you are talking about.

Wisconsin has had a long history of hiring guys that aren't on most pundits/sports writers/or internet honks radar. Lets look at who Wisconsin has hired recently in their major sports. All of whom have been someone the average internet message board poster knew nothing about.

1. Barry Alvarez (1989)--Was a Defensive Coordinator at Notre Dame. Zero head coaching experience. He now has a statue of himself outside of Camp Randall

2. Stu Jackson (1992)--Coached UW to their first NCAA tournament in 40 years. Recruited Michael Finley. He's now the NBA's deputy commisioner. Stan Van Gundy took over after Jackson. No one had ever heard of Stu Jackson.

3. Dick Bennett (1995)--Coached Wisconsin Green Bay. Took UW to the Final Four and now known as one of the best defensive minds the game has seen. Inducted into the BB hall of fame. No one was going to give Dick Bennett a Division I job.

4. Bo Ryan (2001)--Has the highest winning percentage in BIG. Advanced to the NCAA tournament 11 straight years. Previously coached at a Division III school. When he was hired people said "Bo who?!!!"

5. Bret Bielema (2006)--Division I coordinator at Wisconsin and when he was hired Alvarez was criticized for hiring an unknown coaching commodity with no head coaching experience. 3-straight BIG titles

Let me repeat, All of those names above were people the average fan had NEVER heard of. No most of them are household names in BIG and even nationally.

In short I think this shows that UW has the guts and foresight to hire coaches that they think are good irregardless of whether Jon Miller, Stephen A. Smith, Kirk Herbstreit, Chris Fowler or Erin Andrews think it's a good hire. Barry knows what he's doing and he's proven it.

Pretty much 99% of Badger fans know the hire history that Barry and Pat Richter have accomplished during their time in Madison. There really hasn't been one bad hire yet. You can add Mike Eaves their hockey coach in that group too.
 
I don't know what you are driving at with this Jon other than not knowing what you are talking about.

Wisconsin has had a long history of hiring guys that aren't on most pundits/sports writers/or internet honks radar. Lets look at who Wisconsin has hired recently in their major sports. All of whom have been someone the average internet message board poster knew nothing about.

1. Barry Alvarez (1989)--Was a Defensive Coordinator at Notre Dame. Zero head coaching experience. He now has a statue of himself outside of Camp Randall

2. Stu Jackson (1992)--Coached UW to their first NCAA tournament in 40 years. Recruited Michael Finley. He's now the NBA's deputy commisioner. Stan Van Gundy took over after Jackson. No one had ever heard of Stu Jackson.

3. Dick Bennett (1995)--Coached Wisconsin Green Bay. Took UW to the Final Four and now known as one of the best defensive minds the game has seen. Inducted into the BB hall of fame. No one was going to give Dick Bennett a Division I job.

4. Bo Ryan (2001)--Has the highest winning percentage in BIG. Advanced to the NCAA tournament 11 straight years. Previously coached at a Division III school. When he was hired people said "Bo who?!!!"

5. Bret Bielema (2006)--Division I coordinator at Wisconsin and when he was hired Alvarez was criticized for hiring an unknown coaching commodity with no head coaching experience. 3-straight BIG titles

Let me repeat, All of those names above were people the average fan had NEVER heard of. No most of them are household names in BIG and even nationally.

In short I think this shows that UW has the guts and foresight to hire coaches that they think are good irregardless of whether Jon Miller, Stephen A. Smith, Kirk Herbstreit, Chris Fowler or Erin Andrews think it's a good hire. Barry knows what he's doing and he's proven it.

Pretty much 99% of Badger fans know the hire history that Barry and Pat Richter have accomplished during their time in Madison. There really hasn't been one bad hire yet. You can add Mike Eaves their hockey coach in that group too.

It is called the ability to read people, it does not take a thousand words. Fry was good at it. That is what it takes to win, when you cant get every recruit/coach you ask for.
 
Oh, sorry AB. I must have missed all the clamor for GA from the five or six Wisky beat writers I have been following since this all started. Wait, I rechecked; no I didn't
 
Oh, sorry AB. I must have missed all the clamor for GA from the five or six Wisky beat writers I have been following since this all started. Wait, I rechecked; no I didn't

Be better buddy, be better. Oh and thanks for what you do.
 
Did you even read my post? That's exactly my point, Alvarez or Richter could care less what Wisconsin beat writers are clamoring for nor what ESPN commentators are clamoring for or what internet message board fans from rivals or scout.com are clamoring for.

Alvarez was going to make the best decision based on HIS expertise and acumen of knowing what it takes to be a good coach/teacher/recruiter. He's made all the right moves since he's been in Madison.

Not every good coach is a guy that people have heard about. Who knew who the hell Brad Stevens was before he was the head coach? Chris Peterson? Tom Izzo? All these guys started as either assistants or were operating in obscurity.
 
The Badgers are making their third straight trip to the Rose Bowl, a place Iowa hasn't been since January 1st, 1991. The Badgers have won three straight league titles and the only two Big Ten championship games.
I don't think it would be unrealistic to bring back to Iowa the very guy who is responsible for doing this at Wisconsin. I know a lot of people can't stand him, but these results speak for themselves. The only thing is, by the time Kirk is either fired, resigns, or his contract expires, Bielema will have either possibly found enough success at Arkansas that his history at Iowa won't be a factor for him or he will not do well and his stock will have lowered enough that our administration won't even look at him as an option.
 
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Oh, sorry AB. I must have missed all the clamor for GA from the five or six Wisky beat writers I have been following since this all started. Wait, I rechecked; no I didn't

In fact going back and re-reading your article, it's simply a total laugher. Again, look at that list of coaching hires Wisconsin has had going back 20 years. None of those guys were household names.

Furthermore, Alvarez handled this EXACTLY like he said he was going to handle it. He said he was going to take his time and not rush anything. "I'm not going to use a search committee, most search committees use me."--BA He knows exactly what he's doing and he didn't panic.

You also make the assumption that he "bumped his head going after bigger candidates." Who was that exactly? He said in his opening presser that he'd talk to Chris Peterson but that he doubted CP would move as he was pretty "locked in in Boise". Everything happened exactly how Alvarez said he'd handle it.
 
First off none will know how ga will do at Wisconsin for at least 3 yrs until you see his own recruits. They should have enough talent to be respectable for at least 2 yrs.
 
I must be missing the point of this lesson Jon, because we're still stuck with a coach because of a horrible contract. I don't want a "top flight name" coach, I want a top flight coach whether he has a name to begin with or not. And there are a lot of candidates out there that will run the Iowa ship different than Constant Kirk.

Side note: if Gary takes Wisky to the NC in two years does that make the lesson to hire a no name?
 
And can we keep the quote: "I don't think we'll see another 4-8 season out of a Ferentz-led Iowa team" pinned to the top of the board?

That's GOLD Jerry, GOLD!
 
Not a particularly great article. You are basing it off of the premise that Kirk can still have some success here. That is very much in doubt. Recruiting looks awful, and there is very little elite level talent currently on the roster. This is not even bringing up the disaster that was the Greg Davis hire, compounded by the horrific decision to bring him back for another season. If it's a choice between taking a leap into the unknown, versus a few more 6-6 and 7-5 seasons, I'll take the unknown every time. To me, there isn't a gigantic difference between 6-6 and a Toilet Bowl bid, or 4-8. As noted, we won't be paying the new guy all that much, and if it doesn't work out, you just pull a Lickliter and start all over. Also, due to our extensive coaching lineage that is more or less exclusive to Iowa, I have the utmost confidence that we will have a higher caliber of candidate than a school of our prestige level would typically have. Of course, the potential fly in the ointment of the whole thing is exactly what did us in the last time, which is beauracratic incompetence. I have absolutely ZERO confidence in Gary Barta making any decision for the University of Iowa beyond what to charge for parking passes next year. This, more than anything, is what should give Iowa fans pause as they consider whether or not a change should be made.
 

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