And have more than one receiver who wasn't just adjusting from HS to college.
And a new coach who also just got brought up.
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And have more than one receiver who wasn't just adjusting from HS to college.
And a new coach who also just got brought up.
Unknownbadger
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Certainly, I was using it to show those who say Hornibrook was a game manger the error of their ways. hell the INTs should indicate that as well as the YPA AND the 3rd down conversion rate.
Unknownbadger
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Davis was a true frosh, AJ Taylor a RS frosh, Pryor a RS frosh, Cephus a soph. Those were our WOs in 2017, 4th.
Nate is probably the best qb in the b10.
He just didn't know it.
Stanzi
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Lol you play Michigan and we play Iowa State. Neither team plays Ohio State. Both teams play Penn State. Michigan is better than Iowa State, but outside of that the schedules aren't much different. I agree Iowa's schedule is weak, but Wisconsin's isn't much stronger.
Also, as you indicated above you have 2 or 3 WR's that may play in the NFL. Iowa never has a WR that will play in the NFL. Stanley put up good numbers in spite of having terrible WR's. He had Fant and that's it. His WR's were garbage last season with drops galore. I don't have high hopes for this season either.
Unknownbadger
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Well, Hornibrook ran for his life too against Tosu, and UM. Our line only gave up 4 fewer sacks than Iowa. It was a good line but we had one guy playing out of his natural position all season because we were minus a LT. Like all teams most of the line played banged up too.
What 7 opponents were they? I'm not doubting that he accomplished it but curious to see what teams he did it against.
If he did that against Ohio St, Michigan, Northwestern, or even Purdue or Iowa, that's impressive.
Unknownbadger
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Fant's very good. I think we have a HB/TE that may EVENTUALLY be as good as Fant.
As for schedules, what I believe are our 5 toughest conference games, including Iowa, are ALL played away from home.
Unknownbadger
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Utah State, BYU, Purdue, Maryland, Indiana, Minnesota, Miami (the TO chain team). Even with the 3 INTs against Iowa his rating was 128. Against Northwestern it was 134, only a point less than Stanley's average. He was over 160 6 of the 7 times.
Tosu in the CCG was his worst but he led a comeback to give us a chance to win the game at the end.
Unknownbadger
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Love the friendly banter. Can't wait for that first conference game to come (at Kinnick).
Purdue is pretty impressive. They had a legit defense and their coaching staff is good. Same as NW. I wouldn't put too much on the Miami bowl win. Non-playoff bowl games are basically exhibitions. Some teams are motivated, others are not at all.
As for your previous post regarding Wisconsin's tough road schedule this year. Shit that sounds like Iowa's schedule in every odd numbered year. They play their toughest 3 division opponents on the road (Wisconsin, Northwestern, & Nebraska). And unless the B1G adds teams or reshuffles the division thats probably going to stick awhile.
ArvadaHawk
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i don't think there has been one pre-season under kirk where the prevailing wisdom is that we would have a juggernaut offense and be able to score at will...EVEN IF IT WAS TRUE. kirk won't allow that. below is a quote from the article in Stanley's write up and, to me, it says all we need to know about Iowa's philosophy on offense and supports what I stated above.
"Stanley has enough deep ball skill to make defenses respect the pass, which is all Iowa ever really needs."
Edit: Note that since kirks arrival in 1999 as HC, WUs and MSU have placed a combined 9 rb's into the Big ten all time rushing leaders (WUs-6, MSU-3) and Iowa, just one. That is Ladell Betts who kirk didn't even recruit, he inherited Betts. Hell, jNW has 2 and kNU has as many as Iowa.
Ironic, huh. We only have to make the defense "think" we can pass so that we can run instead. Yet we don't have the type of rb lineage WUs and MSU have; who are considered at the same level as Iowa, program wise.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/conferences/big-ten/leaders/rush-yds-player-career.html
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Unknownbadger
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It's been like that for us too. Soft, hard, soft hard, etc. I've noticed that that's the way for most of the good teams in the West. I don't know why the schedulers can't even it out a little bit better. Hell, we're playing you guys for the 5th time out of 7 at Kinnick. If it was at the Camp I probably wouldn't be wondering about their mindsets.
Yeah that is very bizarre. Iowa lucked out with weirdo schedules due to both of the recent conference expansions. They played at Minnesota in 2010, 2011, 2013, & 2014. Ironically enough, they didn't take advantage of it. They lost 3 of those games.
Unknownbadger
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The 4 in a row at the goofs IS odd. It seems to be the only series where we continually are on a home and away schedule, even when we were in the Leaders.
We're getting off the QB topic here but that's what threads do...
Anyway I do want to make it clear that I don't like to blame schedules. Since the East/West split in 2014 I think the best team in the West each season has won the division despite the schedules. Iowa had the advantage in 2014 & 2016 but Wisconsin won and they were clearly the best team. Wisconsin had the schedule advantage over Iowa in 2015, yet the Hawkeyes won. Last year Wisconsin had the schedule advantage but was also clearly the superior team.
I do hope the B1G does something to regarding the cross division schedules. The East is so incredibly top heavy and has 3 traditional bad programs with Indiana, Rutgers, & Maryland and that can make for some very unbalanced cross-overs. Although Maryland's recruiting is taking off. They have a great talent base there if they get a good staff in place.
Anyway I do want to make it clear that I don't like to blame schedules. Since the East/West split in 2014 I think the best team in the West each season has won the division despite the schedules. Iowa had the advantage in 2014 & 2016 but Wisconsin won and they were clearly the best team. Wisconsin had the schedule advantage over Iowa in 2015, yet the Hawkeyes won. Last year Wisconsin had the schedule advantage but was also clearly the superior team.
I do hope the B1G does something to regarding the cross division schedules. The East is so incredibly top heavy and has 3 traditional bad programs with Indiana, Rutgers, & Maryland and that can make for some very unbalanced cross-overs. Although Maryland's recruiting is taking off. They have a great talent base there if they get a good staff in place.
guffus
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I have thoughts on how to "fix" the cross-over schedules but will save that for another thread.
MelroseHawkins
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You're still not getting it. The rest of the team or many areas of the "team" probably help hide many of his flaws. Would he have been that good playing for Minnesota, Indiana or even Iowa? Probably not. It's merely an article ranking the QB's on what they think their skill set is, individually.
Ricky Stanzi could probably be compared to Hornibrook. Stanzi just had moxi and found a way to win most games. He was a gamer, great leader for his teammates and a great game manager. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Trent Dilfer won a Superbowl with the Baltimore Ravens. Was he the best QB or did he have an outstanding skill set. Many would say no but he managed that team quite well. He was a serviceable QB who was a game manager.
MelroseHawkins
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The efficiency rating is because he played on a better team as a whole. You are comparing NC State to Wisconsin who has a much better line and running game. He didn't go up to 191 just on his own or because of coaching. Some can be contributed to that, but some can be contributed to playing on a better team (better situation) in general.
