B10 made a mistake not going after Pitt or Mizzou

DuffMan said:
Having these schools in the same conference every year would give the B10 another great rivalry in the spirit of Ohio State/Michigan, Iowa/Wisky, Michigan/Michigan State. It would be another terrific opportunity to showcase the B10 throughout the Eastern States and arguably the nation.QUOTE]

A Penn State/Pitt rivalry on par with the Iowa/Wisconsin one? The Iowa/Wisconsin rivarly will continue to grow over the coming years. I just don't see that happening with Penn State/Pitt.
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dchawk03 said:
Georgia is horrible, in no way are they the "anchor" of the SEC
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He said that Florida, Georgia, LSU, and Alabama are the anchors of the conference. That's true. You seem to be confusing performance on the field with power. Georgia's not very good right now, but they carry a lot more weight than just about any other SEC team. Tradition, big cash cow, etc.
 
AntonioRamos said:
DuffMan said:
Having these schools in the same conference every year would give the B10 another great rivalry in the spirit of Ohio State/Michigan, Iowa/Wisky, Michigan/Michigan State. It would be another terrific opportunity to showcase the B10 throughout the Eastern States and arguably the nation.QUOTE]

A Penn State/Pitt rivalry on par with the Iowa/Wisconsin one? The Iowa/Wisconsin rivarly will continue to grow over the coming years. I just don't see that happening with Penn State/Pitt.
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How does the Iowa/Wisky rivalry continue to grow when we won't even play each other every year? IF Pitt were added (and they won't be), they would play PSU every year, and that's a rivalry that is just yearning to be reawakened. It would easily pass over Iowa/Wisky.
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Pitt and Penn State have played each other 96 times. That's more often than Iowa has played Wisconsin, Minnesota, or anyone else for that matter. It dates back to the late 1890's and involves 12.7 million people (compared to 8.7 for Iowa v Wisky). Penn State v Pitt could start up again tomorrow and would instantly be as big or bigger than any other rivalry in the B10 other than fOSU and scUM.
 
delany is waiting for ND, he picked Nebby because he knew Nebby-Whisky would be a huge tv ratings draw, The Big Ten pays out 22 million per team, more than the SEC payout. When the Big Ten expands it will be ND and East Coast teams with huge TV markets: Maryland, Rutgers, Boston College,
 
Stiles said:
I trust Jim Delany's analyze over yours any day Duffman. Pitt offers no additional value to the B10. No additional revenue increases to the existing members. Not in a growing population area. Not a big name draw to capture national audiences. They also do not fill their stadium (which isn't big) regularly. Mizzou is breakeven at best to the current members.

B1G will not add schools just to add schools, which is good business sense.
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How about thinking for yourself, that's always fun.

You know the Germans trusted Hitler also. (NOTE: I am NOT comparing Jim Delany to Hitler)
 
DuffMan said:
How about thinking for yourself, that's always fun.

You know the Germans trusted Hitler also. (NOTE: I am NOT comparing Jim Delany to Hitler)
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I'm afraid we're going to have to fire you for that comment. Or at least put you on a one-week leave.
-HawkeyeNation
 
DuffMan said:
How about thinking for yourself, that's always fun.

You know the Germans trusted Hitler also. (NOTE: I am NOT comparing Jim Delany to Hitler)
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This would be more comparable to trusting my lawyer over myself to represent me in court. How much time, and what knowledge base, do you bring to your opinion? Compare that to Jim Delany and his B10 office team.

I also do think for myself, my opinions were included after my Delany statement.

I noticed you haven't commented on those? Why is that?
 
there are lots of things pitt brings.

1 good exposure tv matchups with PState and osu.

2 geographic continuity

3 football tradition

4 historic rival of ND

5 AAU member

If Pitt were on the big ten they would easily draw 55k plus for their home schedule which puts them in the Middle of the pack in conference.

The b10 would be smart to take a short term revenue hit if in doing so they forced ND hand in joining (adding mizz and pitt would do that).
 
Aside from Michigan playing OSU, I think we can pretty much toss out any notion of rivalries and how meaningful they are. Any other preservation of rivalry will be more in line with luck of geography.
 
Clearly you aren't a business man or entrepreneur, as none of your points talk about what is driving conference realignment....MONEY.

If you cannot give a good money outcome to the existing members it won't happen.

Football tradition? When were they last relevent? Minnesota has tradition too you know. It was just 60-70 years ago.
 
If Pitt drew 55k per game, they'd be 8th in the conference. Just a smidge ahead of, yet in the same cohort as Illinois, Purdue, Minnesota, Indiana and NW. We don't need to add a team that fits into that class, we need to add a team that can do 70k+.

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect...ERES&CACHEID=d47a560045aad7aab88ffc9080650d5b

Rank School G Attendance Average
1. Michigan 7 782,776 111,825
2. Ohio St. 8 842,221 105,278
3. Penn St. 7 729,636 104,234
4. Alabama 7 712,747 101,821
5. Texas 7 704,580 100,654
6. Tennessee 7 698,465 99,781
7. Georgia 6 556,476 92,746
8. LSU 7 649,023 92,718
9. Florida 7 633,579 90,511
10. Auburn 8 688,692 86,087
11. Nebraska 7 599,648 85,664
12. Oklahoma 6 508,426 84,738
13. Texas A&M 7 577,338 82,477
14. Notre Dame 7 565,565 80,795
15. Southern California 6 479,444 79,907
Rank School G Attendance Average
16. Wisconsin 7 559,035 79,862
17. Clemson 7 542,280 77,469
18. South Carolina 7 536,675 76,668
19. Michigan St. 7 514,894 73,556
20. Florida St. 7 498,890 71,270
21. Iowa 7 494,095 70,585
22. Arkansas 6 413,591 68,932
23. Washington 6 397,581 66,264
24. Virginia Tech 7 463,631 66,233
25. Kentucky 7 462,488 66,070
26. Missouri 6 369,240 61,540
27. BYU 6 368,283 61,381
28. UCLA 6 362,253 60,376
29. Oregon 6 356,387 59,398
30. North Carolina 6 349,500 58,250
 
Pitt simply does not cut it...another mouth to feed.
The Big Ten is sitting pretty with 12. Unless the conference is willing to go to 10 game conference slate, 12 will always be the right number. Enough to have a lucrative title game, but not any extra mouths to feed. Still play the other division enough to still be a real conference,and retain the traditional rivalries. Tradition is the golden goose,...kill it at your peril,conference commissioners.

I think we might end up with 5 conferences that matter. Big Ten is at 12 until or unless ND wants in,which aint happening anytime soon. So,Big Ten is in great position as they sit,period. 12 is the perfect number.
 
DuffMan said:
It solidifies the B10 in the eastern time zone, it gives PState a traditional geographic rivalry and it gives the B10 a few more games to showcase nationally. Anything the B10 can do to showcase its traditional powers (Penn state, Nebraska, fOSU, scUM) is good for the league as a whole.
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They have showcased it plenty this year.

PSU killed by Alabama.
Nebraska getting throttled by Wisky.
OSU getting beat by Miami.

We should do less showcasing.
 
Hawkeye11en1 said:
DuffMan said:
It solidifies the B10 in the eastern time zone, it gives PState a traditional geographic rivalry and it gives the B10 a few more games to showcase nationally. Anything the B10 can do to showcase its traditional powers (Penn state, Nebraska, fOSU, scUM) is good for the league as a whole.
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They have showcased it plenty this year.PSU killed by Alabama.Nebraska getting throttled by Wisky.OSU getting beat by Miami.We should do less showcasing.
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And every single one of those games is better for the bten than not being on tv at all.
 
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