B10 made a mistake not going after Pitt or Mizzou

DuffMan

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I think the B10 really kicked it here. Both of these schools would have been great additions to the B10 (for different reasons) and unfortunately it looks like both schools are going elsewhere.

Pittsburgh has a strong football tradition, is an AAU member, and is a great geographic fit for the Big10. The latter shouldn’t be emphasized enough. Pittsburgh is less than 40 miles from the Ohio border and just 180 miles from Columbus. It’s obviously relatively close to State College as well. Further adding Pitt to the B10 would be terrific for Penn State. It’s not really a secret that Penn State has been encouraging the B10 to expand further east to allow it to foster additional regional rivalries. Pitt makes perfect sense in that regard. If you look at KF’s comments from his weekly presser this week it would give you an indication of just how strong a rivalry this was. In fact prior to the early 90’s when Pitt and Penn State (both independent at the time) joined separate conferences this rivalry was one of the best in all of college football. Having these schools in the same conference every year would give the B10 another great rivalry in the spirit of Ohio State/Michigan, Iowa/Wisky, Michigan/Michigan State. It would be another terrific opportunity to showcase the B10 throughout the Eastern States and arguably the nation.

Mizzou is also an AAU member and a terrific fit for the B10 geographically. It also has the potential to generate terrific rivalries with both Illannoy and Iowa. It also brings a couple of middle weight TV markets which shouldn’t be overlooked. Perhaps the biggest advantage of bringing Mizzou into the B10 is that it would serve as a buffer between the B10 and the SEC. That’s something that people are only now starting to realize.

I understand the B10 has bigger fish to fry. I understand that ND and a school like Rutgers is certainly a possibility, and might be a better get for conference coffers, but in nearly all other ways Pitt and Mizzou would be a far superior get.
 
What is the point of adding them? Expansion fever?

Mizzou is a "buffer" between B1G and SEC? If Mizzou joins the B1G, there is a B1G/SEC border between MO and AR. If Mizzou joins the SEC, there is a B1G/SEC border between MO and IA. So either way there is no buffer.

Btw, this isn't Risk or Stratego.
 
Well Mizzou isnt sold on a specific conference even though there has been talk about Mizzou and the SEC. A Mizzou and ND addition isnt completely out of the question.
 
The only thing that Pitt and MU football have in common is their place as no better than the 5th most popular sports team in their respective states.

They are ok programs that can add television sets but lets be honest, if any network thought they could make money broadcasting a MIZZOU v. Iowa State game they would have.

The reason they can't make money, no one in a populous state cares about the team.
 
Well the conference could never do that because of their enormous hard-on for teh domers.

I would also add that since you listed IA/Wisky as one of the major rivalries in the big 10 that the conference leadership didn't see it that way as they pretty much killed that game so UM and o$u could be in seperate conferences.
 
What is the point of adding them? Expansion fever?

Mizzou is a "buffer" between B1G and SEC? If Mizzou joins the B1G, there is a B1G/SEC border between MO and AR. If Mizzou joins the SEC, there is a B1G/SEC border between MO and IA. So either way there is no buffer.

Btw, this isn't Risk or Stratego.

If the SEC grabs Mizzou they are encroaching toward our border. If we grab Mizzou we are walking toward them. Yes we share a border either way but the latter is a much better situation. Iowa has pulled a solid number of great players out of Missouri in the past. Obviously we know Clayborn and McNutt were from Missouri, but so are Shumpert and Kirksey. He'll we've been pulling quality kids out of Missouri since Hayden was here, Ladell Betts comes to mind.
 
We also have gotten a lot of kids from Texas, despite not playing in that state. Without bordering that state. Without adding Baylor to the Big Ten.
 
I agree we should have picked up Mizzou but Pitt wouldn't add anything
 
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The only thing that Pitt and MU football have in common is their place as no better than the 5th most popular sports team in their respective states.

They are ok programs that can add television sets but lets be honest, if any network thought they could make money broadcasting a MIZZOU v. Iowa State game they would have.

The reason they can't make money, no one in a populous state cares about the team.

Missouri has ton's of state support. More people care about Missouri than they do the Rams I guarantee you that. Missouri averages 65,000 fans per game. That's solidly in the middle of the pack for a B10 school. Pitt averaged 53,000 which is higher than Indiana, Purdue, Minnesota, and Northwestern, and is close to what Illannoy pulls. Plus Pitt would easily draw 60k if they were bringing in B10 opponents. Heinz field would be a guaranteed sell out for all Ohio State and Penn State home games, and probably Michigan as well.
 
If the SEC grabs Mizzou they are encroaching toward our border. If we grab Mizzou we are walking toward them. Yes we share a border either way but the latter is a much better situation. Iowa has pulled a solid number of great players out of Missouri in the past. Obviously we know Clayborn and McNutt were from Missouri, but so are Shumpert and Kirksey. He'll we've been pulling quality kids out of Missouri since Hayden was here, Ladell Betts comes to mind.

Oh no!!! Encroaching our border!!! We'd better move some armies to southern Iowa!!!

A handful of athletes doesn't drive expansion.

I still have yet to hear a reason why the B1G would take MO.
 
I just have a totally different take on all of this since I moved down to SEC country and actually have been talking to non-BCS conference reps.

While national press people and such have been blowing with every breeze that has popped up, the people I have talked to down here have been really, really consistent from day one.

Their take is that (1) Superconferences with four team divisions are inevitable. (2) The bottom half of the B12 are going west. The SEC wants a more geographic western division. (3) The four big conferences do not want to get into bidding wars for particular schools, hence no OU to SEC talk.

Missou to the West sets up a nice four team Division with LSU, Ark, TA&M, and Missou. The SEC sees Bama, Georgia, LSU, and Florida as their anchor teams in each division.
 
Pitt doesn't add a big $ boost for B10. They would take away from each schools take at present.

Mizzou could pay their own way, however.
 
Pitt would be fun for rivalries but they would just be another mouth to feed since the Big Ten already has the Penn market. IMO I do not see them going after Rutgers unless they can get Notre Dame for the NYC market.
 
Pitt doesn't add a big $ boost for B10. They would take away from each schools take at present.

Mizzou could pay their own way, however.

I understand that Pitt wouldn't add $$ in the short term. I think that the additional geographic rivalries and their tradition make up for that. I'd be ok with a few hundred thousand less in TV money if it was for the betterment of the league as a whole. I think adding Pitt does that.
 

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