Article on Cougill and Playing Time...critcism

the kid looks like someone who would have benefitted from a redshirt year. He has some good skills for a big guy but needs to get stronger.

I don't mean this as a personal attack on Cougill, but you just look at him compared to other Big 10 players, and he clearly is not there yet. If he is really 265lbs, then he is carrying quite a bit of "bad weight", as opposed to muscle.
 
I think with the injury Brommer took over his minutes. Also he will need to learn to battle as nobody should be just given a spot. If Brommer is playing better he should be getting minutes behind Cole. Plus with Larsen, & Archie coming in next year, he better sack up if he wants to get on the court.
 
Brommer is taking some time from Cougill too, and rightfully so.

AND, if you watch Cougs DURING the game, he's very into it. He doesn't seem to be pouting that he isn't in the game. It's too bad Fuller is playing so well, this article's author might want him on the bench instead.
 
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The biggest problem with Cougill is he is being grossly misused. Lick has him playing out on the perimeter on both offense and defense, when he should be banging for rebounds on defense while posting up on offense and occasionally popping a 3 pointer. His rebounding per minute is as good as or better than Cole, but Cole is a zero offensive threat and a terrible defender because he is too short, whereas Cougill has some game on the offensive side. Funny how earlier in the year he was starting and playing well everyone agreed. Now he is cut to playing a minute a game and everyone likes to dog him.
 
Sweetriver you are right on. On offense Cougill is a player that needs to be down in the paint area where he can take advantage of his interior offensive skills and size for rebounding. He and Brommer need to be manning the post position as Cole is just too short to be effective down low against teams that have any size in the post position. And the Hawks need some interior offensive threat to open up perimeter shots. Cougill will be a very good player for the Hawks on the inside by the time he graduates. He does need to get stronger tho but how many freshmen don't.
 
The biggest problem with Cougill is he is being grossly misused. Lick has him playing out on the perimeter on both offense and defense, when he should be banging for rebounds on defense while posting up on offense and occasionally popping a 3 pointer. His rebounding per minute is as good as or better than Cole, but Cole is a zero offensive threat and a terrible defender because he is too short, whereas Cougill has some game on the offensive side. Funny how earlier in the year he was starting and playing well everyone agreed. Now he is cut to playing a minute a game and everyone likes to dog him.

From watching him play he plays like a "floater" in my opinion, someone who is content hovering around the perimeter and not too excited to go down low and mix it up. I dont know for sure but i dont think this is Lick misusing him - this could be on Cougs and he just doesnt have the confidence to bang down low so he hangs around outside. This happens all the time when big guys jump from college to the pros, same goes for freshman coming into college. My opinion is he isnt physical enough yet and knows it - thats why he hovers around the 3 point line. This could also be the reason he has lost playing time.

Cole is short but he is our most aggressive and physical player inside. If Cougs was as aggressive and strong as cole there is no doubt he would be getting the minutes
 
I said it when he was recruited, and I will say it again:

Cougill is not big time player in the Big Ten. Back to the basket, slow guys, are a thing of the past.

He has made few triples. Nothing to get overly excited about.

I hope the best for the kid because he is from Iowa.

But, he has very little chance of making a splash IMHO.
 
I think one biggest points missing is this... bigs take longer to develop. Using Iowa's poor record as an excuse to get him minutes is silly. Lickliter is still going to try to field a team that gives them the best chance to win. I don't think Cougill is as bad as some make him out to be. He has potential to be quite good.
 
I think one biggest points missing is this... bigs take longer to develop. Using Iowa's poor record as an excuse to get him minutes is silly. Lickliter is still going to try to field a team that gives them the best chance to win. I don't think Cougill is as bad as some make him out to be. He has potential to be quite good.

At least you stay the course, Spank.

Bless your heart.

What is your definition of quite good?

When I think quite good, I think of players like: Adam Haluska, Kenyon Murray, JR Koch, Val Barnes, Jess Settles (before and after).

Brennan Cougill is not now, nor will he ever be, in the same breath as those players. Sorry. I am a realist and paint the picture the way it is.

No offense to him. I thought the same thing when I saw him play live three times before college.

He is a Hawkeye, so I wish him well. As previously stated.

But, he is not going to fit the definition of "quite good"
 
I think one biggest points missing is this... bigs take longer to develop. Using Iowa's poor record as an excuse to get him minutes is silly. Lickliter is still going to try to field a team that gives them the best chance to win. I don't think Cougill is as bad as some make him out to be. He has potential to be quite good.

Stormin,

I have no clue but are there any "bigs" from Lick's past at Butler that could be compared to where Cougill's game is today?

Thanks in advance.
 
Stormin,

I have no clue but are there any "bigs" from Lick's past at Butler that could be compared to where Cougill's game is today?

Thanks in advance.

I really didn't follow Butler much, but I remember Crone from their tourney team a few years back. I don't he was as tall as Cougs, though. Not sure, it's probably be worth the research.
 
At least you stay the course, Spank.

Bless your heart.

What is your definition of quite good?

When I think quite good, I think of players like: Adam Haluska, Kenyon Murray, JR Koch, Val Barnes, Jess Settles (before and after).

Brennan Cougill is not now, nor will he ever be, in the same breath as those players. Sorry. I am a realist and paint the picture the way it is.

No offense to him. I thought the same thing when I saw him play live three times before college.

He is a Hawkeye, so I wish him well. As previously stated.

But, he is not going to fit the definition of "quite good"
No, I don't see him at that level necessarily, but he has the potential to be pretty good. A 12 and 8 kind of player when it's all said and done.
 
I think one biggest points missing is this... bigs take longer to develop. Using Iowa's poor record as an excuse to get him minutes is silly. Lickliter is still going to try to field a team that gives them the best chance to win. I don't think Cougill is as bad as some make him out to be. He has potential to be quite good.
Not sure how you can say that after the last two and a half years. But then again, maybe you're right, but he certainly hasn't adjusted game plans to give the team the best chance to win. Somehow, I think these two things are connected.
 
I said it when he was recruited, and I will say it again:

Cougill is not big time player in the Big Ten. Back to the basket, slow guys, are a thing of the past.

He has made few triples. Nothing to get overly excited about.

I hope the best for the kid because he is from Iowa.

But, he has very little chance of making a splash IMHO.

Are you telling me that you wouldn't take a big guy because its a "thing of the past"? Thats just dumb dude. Basketball is basketball, it aint rocket science.
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At least you stay the course, Spank.

Bless your heart.

What is your definition of quite good?

When I think quite good, I think of players like: Adam Haluska, Kenyon Murray, JR Koch, Val Barnes, Jess Settles (before and after).

Brennan Cougill is not now, nor will he ever be, in the same breath as those players. Sorry. I am a realist and paint the picture the way it is.

No offense to him. I thought the same thing when I saw him play live three times before college.

He is a Hawkeye, so I wish him well. As previously stated.

But, he is not going to fit the definition of "quite good"

I disagree. I think you are starting to let your feelings for the coach cloud your judgement a little. He's more polished RIGHT NOW than a LOT of bigs that have played for Iowa. He'll be fine.
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I agree that bigs usually take longer to develop, yet with Cougill I see some deficiencies that will impact whether he can get better. When I see him on D, or underneath on O, he has a tendency to not move his feet ( common with many freshmen, but it would be good to recruit gusy who move their feet at this point ). As he gets planted, he then uses his arms to try to get position, to block out, to impede the opponent, and he is woefully weak and cant stop these guys ( plus its ripe for foul calls ). He needs to move his feet, use his body ( as Bo Ryan coaches so very very well ) and his legs to position himself. He carries his center of gravity too high too, his legs are often too straight, and again he is weak in these positions ( proper positioning enhances the strength you have, whereas if you are weaker, bad positioning is making you even weaker ). He needs to work hard to get stronger, to condition much better ( to run better and not tire ), and to learn to use his body and feet better. Redefine his center, coordinate that with better footwork, and develop quickness in one's own moves ( think Acie Earl, he wasnt what you would consider fast or quick, yet he made moves quickly, decisively and had nice balance on his feet that allowed a guys with slow feet to gain and hold position and defend and rebound ), thus confidence. Of course, all this allows that Lick values and wants to develop these skills, but Cougill should work on it on his own to be better.

If you really compare Cougill to Brunner or Millard, they had a excellent base(center), their feet moved well, they were strong coming in, they had some quickness in their O moves and moved quickly for positioning and rebounds. At this point Cougill isnt even close, he more like a split between Reiner and Jepson, where he had more skills than Les, but still had to develop with his size, skills, and the speed. He may well develop, but is this system optimum for his skill set?
 
Are you telling me that you wouldn't take a big guy because its a "thing of the past"? Thats just dumb dude. Basketball is basketball, it aint rocket science.

I am saying that the game has evolved a little bit. With the uptempo style, and evolution of the game thanks to the 3-point line, post players need to be more athletic.

I would not classify Cougill as 'highly athletic'.

And, for the record, this opinion has NOTHING to do with my disdain for Lick running the program into the ground.

Like I said, I watched Brennan in HS and, while he dominated at that level, nothing really stood out to me.

Let's be honest: there aren't exactly a lot of quality big men to play against in Iowa HS basketball. That's a shame, I know. But it is the truth.
 
Freshmen typically have trouble in the Big 10, which would be expected. Perhaps Cougill is having more problems than most?

There is also the "system," which takes a long time to learn according to the coach.
 
I think the issue also arises that people are trying to compare a true frosh Cougill with the upperclass versions (what they last remember) of other bigs Iowa has had. Do you guys remember what Bru and Millard looked like their freshman years? I think if you go back and compare apples to apples, Cougs game RIGHT NOW isn't that far off from other bigs that have come to Iowa and succeeded.
 

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