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DDThompson
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You’re welcome then for clarifying a roster “loaded” with players modify else wanted.
Are we as bad as we think we are?
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DDThompson
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Maybe Indiana and Butler have players at Nunge position(s) so they didn’t recruit him.
Isn’t that a complaint about Fran?
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The contention is that Iowa is loaded with players nobody else wanted. Not true with that list.
Creighton is not a mid-major program in MBB. The BigEast is not a mid-major MBB conference. Sorry, it just isn’t.
There’s quite a few that wonder why UNI’s PG isn’t at Iowa and how much of a difference he would make.
There’s quite a few who have said that a PG from any one of the 200+ RPI teams Iowa has played and/or lost to wouldn’t do some good for this team.
I know yours is in reference to Nunge. But you don’t need a bunch of P5 “good” BB schools to end up with player that fits your system to be successful.
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Which would make you wrong. Because this isn’t a team “loaded” with players “nobody else wanted”.
Fran hasn’t put the roster together well. That’s a Different issue.
He’s whiffed on most 4* 5* PGs. That’s a Different issue and has gone to developmental/project PGs
We recruit at the bottom level of the conference. Those numbers don't lie. This team just isn't very talented outside of Cook.
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DDThompson
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Did I read at one time this season that Fran is like 4th best record in BiG10 the last 5-6 years?
Well that's going to change because of how recruiting has been the last 4 years. This team just lacks talent that's the issue.
Well that's going to change because of how recruiting has been the last 4 years. This team just lacks talent that's the issue.
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So Fran was a good recruiter and a good coach but now he can’t recruit or coach.
No he has never been a good coach or recruiter. 2 Tournament appearances and a play in game loss in 8 years is not good. He did recruit better but back to back horrible classes is probably going to cost him his job.
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Big Ten sucks if a bad recruiter and bad coach can have 12-6. 12-6. 10-8 records like Iowa has the last 3 years.
Terrible coach + Terrible recruiter = Terrible conference.
smitharooney
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Uhl did not get an offer from Rutgers, Nunge nothing from Indiana or Purdue . Ellingson nothing from Wisconsin. Moss nothing from Illinois and the Kentucky kid we stole from northern Kentucky . This roster is designed to fail and I blame Fran . Oh and Dailey nothing from Ohio st . Why are we spending energy stealing players only inferior programs want . Yes our roster is loaded with these type. If Fran can’t sell Iowa city he needs to go
smitharooney
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If you think roster isn’t loaded with kids nobody wanted then I’m arguing with somebody who doesn’t know what a top program is . Garza and Cook are only two legit out of state recruits on the enire roster and those two didn’t have Kentucky , Duke or North Carolina knocking on their doors
hawkeyemark
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Fran works his tail off in recruiting and I think you may have alluded to the fact that his issue lies in roster construction more than the quality of individuals he recruits. Going into Woodbury and Gesell's senior season when we badly needed a point guard and a center he brought in five wing players of which I think none has panned out. In this last class we badly needed guards specifically a lead point guard and we ended up with two big men along with Connor. Garza and Nunge both have plenty of potential but neither fit what the team needs. Fran recruits best available talent without prioritizing needs and it results in a roster like we have now with obvious holes in it.
In my view this all falls into but one aspect of bad coaching.
We didn't make the tournament last year so why does it matter what our conference record was. Fran is a mediocre coach and a below average recruiter. Think if Lickliter didn't sign Marble or Uthoff didn't come here on his own.
HawkeyeHypnosis
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Just because one kid wasn't given a scholarship from the state he's from means nothing. There are multiple same position recruits from each of the states you named plus you have no idea what each team had already or what positions each team was pursuing. Also doesn't mean anything close to these players were inferior. Its just garbage to try to make your opinion sound stronger.
My favorite part is how he says the guys that did have a lot of offers still didn't have them from the top 3 programs.
smitharooney
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Most of what I stated are facts and not opinion . Did Kansas steal hinrich from Iowa st or Drake? That’s my point. It’s irrelevant sometimes what a team needs instead going for the best available recruit . If Dailey was a world beater he still would have got an offer regardless of how many guards are on their roster. Competition breeds competitiveness.
smitharooney
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What does that have to do with this season?
