Are these damning stats for Brian Ferentz?

[Xerxes]

this argument is boring. It has been repeated over and over. Iowa does not pick their schedule in the BT. And, Iowa, along with all of the other P 5 ‘s, schedules cupcakes to prep for the conference season. This includes Alabama, BTW. I really do not give a shit about what the voters say. Do you?

I'm not blaming Iowa for their B1G schedule. Like you said, they have no control over it. I don't have an issue with their non conference schedule either so long as ISU stays decent.

I'm simply stating that I think the B1G West is weak and Iowa's record has benefitted because of that and voters understandably aren't going to be all that impressed with a lot of those wins.

The East on the other hand isn't weak. Since the realignment Iowa has a record of 2-6 vs the Ohio St/Michigan/PSU/MSU. Thats not a slam on Iowa. Thats just facts. Those programs are tough. And luckily Iowa doesn't have to deal with all 4 every season.

Imagine if Iowa had to play 4 games vs OSU/UM/PSU/MSU each season which 3 crossovers against the West. 3 of the West teams Iowa has really struggled with lately. Or imagine the B1G going to a 10 game schedule and eliminating divisions. Things would be a lot tougher.

Point is Iowa is in the very best possible scenario right now. They could not have dreamed of getting a better spot than the one they're in now. When they realigned Iowa basically subbed UM/MSU for WIS. Any coach would take that.

 

[hawkeyes87]

The way you talk we aren't even a top 25 team. So name me 25 P5 teams who have been better over the last 5 years.

I guess I'd put them somewhere in the #24 - 28 range.

These are my top 28, not ranked but grouped by conference.

The ones w/ a "?" are the other 24-28 teams, too close for me to bother sorting.

And, honestly, my research time was only slightly longer than my typing time.

Number of top-10 & top-25 finishes was more important to me than total wins.

Stanford
Washington

Utah
USC​

Oregon?
Washington St?

Oklahoma
Oklahoma St
TCU

OSU
Michigan
Penn St
Wisconsin

Northwestern​

Michigan St?

Clemson
Florida St

Alabama
Georgia
LSU

Florida​

Auburn
Texas A & M

Miss St?​

ND
Boise
UCF

 

[deanvogs]

I guess I'd put them somewhere in the #24 - 28 range.

These are my top 28, not ranked but grouped by conference.

The ones w/ a "?" are the other 24-28 teams, too close for me to bother sorting.

And, honestly, my research time was only slightly longer than my typing time.

Number of top-10 & top-25 finishes was more important to me than total wins.

Stanford
Washington

Utah
USC​

Oregon?
Washington St?

Oklahoma
Oklahoma St
TCU

OSU
Michigan
Penn St
Wisconsin

Northwestern​

Michigan St?

Clemson
Florida St

Alabama
Georgia
LSU

Florida​

Auburn
Texas A & M

Miss St?​

ND
Boise
UCF

Oh wow, you have truely outdone yourself here. I could go through individually and absolutely destroy 1/2 of these teams you put on here. I'll only go through a few though.

Utah - Doesn't have a top 10 finish over the last 5 years, they have 5 less wins over P5 opponents than Iowa does, so most of their wins are over cupcakes and horrible Pac12 opponents. They are 1-7 vs ranked teams over the last 3 years. Have not been to a BCS bowl.

Texas A&M -40 wins (4 less wins than Iowa). Zero 10 wins seasons, only 1 9 wins season. They have seasons 8 or less win seasons. Of Texas A&M 40 wins, 15, have been vs non P5 teams. That means Texas A&M has 25 wins over P5 opponents over the last 5 years, Iowa has 35. Texas A&M is 25-25 vs P5 teams over the last 5 years (Iowa is 35-21)

Miss. St. - 42 wins (2 less than Iowa). Two top 25 finishes. Miss. St. has 18 wins vs non P5 opponents over the last 5 years. Actually they are 18-1 vs Non P5 teams. Miss. St. has 24 wins over P5 opponents Iowa has 35. Miss. St. is 24-23 vs P5 teams over the last 5 years (Iowa is 35-21)

Florida - 40 wins (4 less than Iowa). Had a 4 win season. No BCS bowl appearances. 12 wins vs Non P5 teams. 28 wins over P5 schools, 7 less than Iowa. Florida is 28-23 vs P5 teams (Iowa 35-21)

Auburn - 41 wins (3 less than Iowa). 1 9+ wins season. 4 seasons 8 or fewer wins. Auburn has 16 wins over non P5 teams over the last 5 years. Auburn has 25 wins over P5 teams, is 25-25 vs P5 teams (Iowa is 35-21)

Boise St/UCF - Really? They aren't even a P5 school. Boise St. has 46 of their 52 wins have been vs non P5 schools over the last 5 years. They are 6-5 vs P5 schools over the last 5 years. UCF has a 0 win season in there as well as a 6 win season. UCF is 3-8 vs P5 schools and 37 of their 40 wins are over non P5 schools.


A few thoughts here. I know that the fake news is the SEC is soooo tough, but the reality is they are racking up wins like crazy vs cupcakes. Iowa is easily a top 20 P5 team, you have got to be a complete dipshit to put those mid tier SEC teams in front of Iowa. Sure Bama, Georgia and LSU belong (LSU has 14 wins over non P5 teams). Only the power of ESPN does their horrible scheduling get brushed under the rug.

The other thing is I think many of our fans have ZERO CLUE about college football outside of Iowa. Many think that all these teams are winning 10+ games a year, every year. They think that other teams are playing all these tough opponents (they aren't). They think they are beating other P5 schools at some 60% clip (they aren't). Iowa is though, they are winning 62.5% of their games vs P5 opponents.

 

[hawkeyes87]

Oh wow, you have truely outdone yourself here. I could go through individually and absolutely destroy 1/2 of these teams you put on here. I'll only go through a few though.

As I said before I listed my teams, I didn't spend much time researching. I knew we'd be disagreeing about a bunch of them anyway, so why bother.

And as I've also said, I care more about who you beat than how many. And about how the voters feel about that- top-10 & top-25 finishes.

So I'm not gonna dig up any more supporting info about the teams you're questioning, but rely on my initial scan that told me those teams have as many or more top-10 / top-25 finishes in that timeframe. We disagree, and I'm fine w/ that

But I do want to address a couple of your points:

A few thoughts here. I know that the fake news is the SEC is soooo tough, but the reality is they are racking up wins like crazy vs cupcakes.

You're showing some pretty severe bias yourself. I was expecting some pushback on my listing NW & Mich St as better / equal to the Hawks. But apparently you're okay with them? The only stat that seems to matter to you is wins / P5 wins. But, over those 5 years, NW had seasons w/ 5 W's ( 4 P5! ) & 7. MSU had a 3 ! Only 2 P5 !! 1 of those P5 was (2-10) Rutgers !!! And last year 7 ( 5 P5 ).

Maybe you realized they were a little sketchy, but didn't argue them because it would make Iowa's W's look better to leave them? You didn't want to add to my argument that the Hawks get most of their W's these days against the "fair to middling" and worse teams?

They think they are beating other P5 schools at some 60% clip (they aren't). Iowa is though, they are winning 62.5% of their games vs P5 opponents.

Yes, cfb fans everywhere are saying "Top teams win 60% of their games against P5 opponents." Comes up in any casual conversation, doesn't it?

Again, P5 opponent isn't the same as quality opponent.

 

[DBAHawkFan]

I'm not blaming Iowa for their B1G schedule. Like you said, they have no control over it. I don't have an issue with their non conference schedule either so long as ISU stays decent.

I'm simply stating that I think the B1G West is weak and Iowa's record has benefitted because of that and voters understandably aren't going to be all that impressed with a lot of those wins.

The East on the other hand isn't weak. Since the realignment Iowa has a record of 2-6 vs the Ohio St/Michigan/PSU/MSU. Thats not a slam on Iowa. Thats just facts. Those programs are tough. And luckily Iowa doesn't have to deal with all 4 every season.

Imagine if Iowa had to play 4 games vs OSU/UM/PSU/MSU each season which 3 crossovers against the West. 3 of the West teams Iowa has really struggled with lately. Or imagine the B1G going to a 10 game schedule and eliminating divisions. Things would be a lot tougher.

Point is Iowa is in the very best possible scenario right now. They could not have dreamed of getting a better spot than the one they're in now. When they realigned Iowa basically subbed UM/MSU for WIS. Any coach would take that.

The athletic department would reward KF for just participating in the college football season, cause there would be no way he'd get to 7 wins if we were in the East.

And you bring up a great point about our struggles against the West teams, minus MN, NE, and IL. Would we even win 6 games if we were in the East?

 

[Gibsonian]

We're middle of the road in the Big.

That's the way it is, that's the way it's been for sometime. We had a brief fling, and it seemed that maybe we could or would jump up to the middle upper class, but that failed and we are what we are.

I don't see a plan forward to improve it from the current place.

 

[DBAHawkFan]

Agree.

KF brought in a great staff and a scheme that wasn't really familiar within the conference. His staff brought in the players, and it was a lot of fun (2001-2005).

Iowa lost those great coaches (minus Norm, KOK) and the scheme didn't change. Other teams adapted and figured it out.

2008-2009 was a blip due to having the 2005 class grow into their positions.

2015, CJ and a very weak schedule....but credit where it's due, they won the games.

Everything else has been average, which makes Iowa an average team overall. No amount of past success changes where we are right now.

 

[eveningnewsteam]

We're middle of the road in the Big.

That's the way it is, that's the way it's been for sometime. We had a brief fling, and it seemed that maybe we could or would jump up to the middle upper class, but that failed and we are what we are.

I don't see a plan forward to improve it from the current place.

Not with KF. Kirk was a badass behind the scenes in the 2000s. KF,20 years ago, wouldn’t have stood for the shit Iowa does now. That’s why Iowa was so good/tough. The coaches were tough and as a result the players were tough as nails. The ones who weren’t were gone. He’s older now, but we need the guy who threw Kaeding’s ass in the cold tub after he told the trainers he didn’t feel like it.

 

[4thngoal]

Listen, in an even game if you win the turnover battle by 2 or more, you win the vast majority of the time. Sure if you are superior to the opponent you can overcome minus 2 in TO, but that wasn't the case with Iowa and Michigan or Iowa and Penn St. They were pretty equally matched, and if you are plus 2 in TO the opponent is not going to overcome that 90% or more of the time.

So your telling me that since NDSU and Iowa both had one turn over and the score was pretty close even, that we were evenly matched? We were evenly matched with a non p5 fcs school?
I think Vegas had us as a 2 td favorite. So they don't agree with you. Your no or equal turn over stat idea doesn't hold water either.

Look I'm not trying to be a Fry and argue about everything.
I agree turnovers are big. Especially in low scoring games.
But come on man, shit happens. Sometimes you have to peddle up hill. You sure as shit are not going to do it in the same gear you peddled your ass down hill.
I said we had a better chance on the road against Michigan. We are closer matched to them. Probably even better than them. PSU at home? Not so much.
PSU has a young qb in Iowa City at night? They kept it simple. Believe me they could have thrown us a much worse beating and that's not even a question.

 

[deanvogs]

So your telling me that since NDSU and Iowa both had one turn over and the score was pretty close even, that we were evenly matched? We were evenly matched with a non p5 fcs school?
I think Vegas had us as a 2 td favorite. So they don't agree with you. Your no or equal turn over stat idea doesn't hold water either.

Look I'm not trying to be a Fry and argue about everything.
I agree turnovers are big. Especially in low scoring games.
But come on man, shit happens. Sometimes you have to peddle up hill. You sure as shit are not going to do it in the same gear you peddled your ass down hill.
I said we had a better chance on the road against Michigan. We are closer matched to them. Probably even better than them. PSU at home? Not so much.
PSU has a young qb in Iowa City at night? They kept it simple. Believe me they could have thrown us a much worse beating and that's not even a question.

Iowa kicked OSU teeth in a couple years ago, do you really think we were evenly matched with them? I say no, we played a great game, they played a shit game it happens. That is what happened with NDSU vs Iowa as well.

Also as I said, 90% of the time or more a +2 TO margin between two evenly matched teams is going to determine the winner. Obviously that means you can find example where that ISN'T the case, that doesn't mean that the vast majority of the time that this premise holds true.

 

[skinnykilmer17]

I guess I've pretty much heard everything now. I mean our overall record as compared to all other P5 teams means NOTHING? Good offenses overcome turnovers? JFC man, one of the biggest determining factors to winning football games is winning the turnover battle. Iowa and Michigan and Penn St. are pretty equal teams, if you are minus 2 on turnovers you will lose that game 90% or more.

As far as what I expect from Iowa football:

1) Win football games, period. I'm not gonna parse them out and say well we are 1-10 vs ranked teams at night when the moon is full. A win is a win. The SEC plays 4 cupcakes a year, the ACC and Pac12 are terrible, and the Big12 is soft. If a team in the B1G is winning the 15 most football games of all P5 teams, that is GOOD, period, end of story.

2) Stay out of trouble. I don't want no Art Briles, Dantonio shit going on

3) Give me a great season every 3-5 years. Do I want them every year? Sure I do, but realistically if we can have a 10+ win year every 3-5 years that is pretty good.

"Winning Championships" is cliche now, with a 14 team conference and 2 divisions. If you wanna say win the West, Ok, I could get on board with that. Yet to try to claim that if Iowa doesn't win the West and THEN beat the East team that it is somehow a failed season is beyond dumb.

Greetings Deano. I have been distracted recently but I can't not respond to this.

The cumulative number of wins in the past 5 or 10 years is basically meaningless. That is an argument people use that AREN'T winning titles. How many arenas/ballparks/stadiums have you been to that have banners for "Cumulative Wins". Good grief. How many small Iowa towns that you enter have "Cumulative Wins in a 5 year span" on their athletic booster club sponsored billboards? I see titles won and the year of that accomplishment. Do you think Nick Saban cares about cumulative wins? Barry Alvarez? Did Bobby Stoops? Does Lincoln Riley? But since you keep invoking this stunning accomplishment let's delve into the numbers and look what is behind your "data".

From 2014 -2018 (your timeframe of 5 years) the P5 conference teams that we have beaten, have a combined conference record of 78-153. The conference teams we have lost to have a combined record of 99-42. It is clear we are beating up on the lesser teams but not doing so well against the successful teams. Go back two more years to include the entire Greg Davis era (also known as the Genesis of the Brian Ferentz Ascent to the Throne) and it is even worse. 96-191 combined record of teams we have beaten vs 150-63 record of teams we have lost to. Our non-conference P5 opponents from '14 to '18 that we beat had a combined record of 7-18 against ranked teams. Again we are mostly irrelevant on the national scene. Cumulative wins in a 5 or 10 year period doesn't make us relevant.

You don't think BF's conference record of 1-10 against .500 or better teams is relevant or evidence of his lack of aptitude? But go ahead and make light of it. Are you going to claim the cupboard was left bare for him? Or that BF was surprised to be promoted and was caught off guard?

Regarding the two recent losses. I strongly disagree that we lost to Michigan due to turnovers. Our turnovers led to exactly 3 Michigan points. A 1st quarter Michigan FG. That's it. We lost that game because we averaged 3.0 ypc, and that does not even include the Stanley attempts and sacks yardage deduction, and we were outplayed and outcoached on the offensive line. No adjustments from the offensive coaches as we gave up 8 sacks. We had a total of 12 offensive possessions and of those a whopping 6 possessions included at least one sack allowed. We were constantly behind the chains. Combine all of that with a barely 50% completion rate from Stanley AND our inability to score on 1st and goal from the 4 in the first half AND a painfully addled late drive (4th and 36??) all points to another Brian Ferentz inept offensive display.

I will concede to you the Penn St game as they scored 10 points off turnovers. Even though we again failed to run the ball. 24 carries for 75 yards. Again excluding the sacks yardage deduction. Again inept scoring offense. A miraculous catch from Smith or we have scored exactly zero touchdowns in the past two games.

Let's do some team comparisons and compare titles. We can even use your statistical models and timeframe Deano. Let's compare ourselves to a couple of teams close to our hearts. Northwestern and Wisconsin.

In the last 5 years (2014-2018):
Total wins/losses :
Wisconsin 52-15
Iowa 44-22
Northwestern 41-24

Total P5 wins/losses :
Wisconsin 39-11
Northwestern 36-20
Iowa 35-21

Total wins/losses in B1G:
Wisconsin 34-9
Northwestern 29-14
Iowa 27-16

Wins/Losses against .500 or better teams in B1G:
Wisconsin 14-8
Northwestern 9-12
Iowa 6-15

Overall B1G record since Brian Ferentz became OC:
Wisconsin 17-4
Northwestern 15-6
Iowa 10-11

Overall B1G record since Greg Davis year one to present:
Wisconsin 44-15
Northwestern 35-24
Iowa 34-25

Brian Ferentz record as OC against .500 or better B1G teams: 1-10
Greg Davis and BF combined record against .500 or better B1G teams: 8-24

Rankings:
Top 25 (final rankings) in past 5 years:
Wisconsin 4
Northwestern 3
Iowa 2

Top 25 (final rankings) in past 10 years:
Wisconsin 8
Northwestern 4
Iowa 3

Titles since 2010:
Wisconsin: 3 Conference championships and 4 Divisional championships (spanning 3 coaches). (Since 2000, KF has won a total of 2 Conference championships and 1 Divisional championship).
Northwestern: 1 Divisional championship
Iowa: 1 Divisional championship

Goals?:
National championship- Not happening.
Conference championship- Not since 2004, so is every 15-20 years realistic? Good enough?
Divisional championship- One every 3-5 years should be expected. Agree?
These are depressingly modest.

These numbers point out how far behind Wisconsin we have fallen during the Ferentz tenure. We aren't exceeding or even equaling Northwestern except for total wins in the past 5 years, but consider they have played Notre Dame twice preseason while we have played Iowa St. Again, I could care less about how many total wins we have. P5 or not. If Northwestern is nationally irrelevant, and they are, then so are we.

Finally, the Kirk apologists never have a response to Kirk's nepotistic predilections. Including you Deano. You have your head so far up Kirk's arse you can see hawkeyebob. Kirk has put family ahead of winning since 2012. Period. End of story. This is what happens when you reward a coach with TWO lifetime contracts for mediocre results on the field of play. He is too comfortable. He is too entitled. Hell, if Kirk was truly concerned about winning he could have rehired KOK as the OC and left Brian in the trenches. KOK will always be Kirk's gold standard for offensive coordinators.
I can't believe I just typed that.

 

[deanvogs]

Greetings Deano. I have been distracted recently but I can't not respond to this.

The cumulative number of wins in the past 5 or 10 years is basically meaningless. That is an argument people use that AREN'T winning titles.

@skinnykilmer17 had to stop reading right here. This is so freaking idiotic already there is no need for me to read any more. Seems like you should be a Bama or Clemoson fan as they are the only teams winning titles consistently.

 

[DBAHawkFan]

I don’t think most of us Iowa fans consider a NC reachable.

For myself the goal i want from Iowa is division champs, even if it’s something like NW 2018 season where they won the division with 3 losses overall. They even put up a little fight in the championship game

Iowa has won one division title, and most years we are needing loads of help by mid October to even consider winning another.

Iowa still has a chance this year, but going off of how we look against decent opposition and how good WI has looked, it feels like a lost cause....again.
This is where the apathy sets in. Every year the team is behind the 8 ball and it wears on you

as for another poster saying root for another team if i find this one so boring....that’s a valid point. While i won’t root for another team, i have found myself drawn to watching other games. From the 90s till probably 2012 i wouldn’t even consider watching another team play, but when you see games consisting of 20 punts, PR who let the balls bounce, and lack of explosive plays....you look elsewhere for some entertainment

i still support the school and the kids who play for it.

one thing that changed my perspective was moving out of Iowa. I’m in southern cal, and been here for five years. The apathy is real here too as most Iowa bars have switched teams due to lack of interest. When i moved out here those bars were packed, now they’re ND or another east coast team.

part of it is that there’s so many other options to use your time here that If the games aren’t going to be exciting, might as well hit the beach!

anyway, the other site has a thread with Iowa’s record against ranked teams since 2009

Our winning percentage is in the 30s

so this has been a theme for half of kirks career here

 

[DBAHawkFan]

Greetings Deano. I have been distracted recently but I can't not respond to this.

The cumulative number of wins in the past 5 or 10 years is basically meaningless. That is an argument people use that AREN'T winning titles. How many arenas/ballparks/stadiums have you been to that have banners for "Cumulative Wins". Good grief. How many small Iowa towns that you enter have "Cumulative Wins in a 5 year span" on their athletic booster club sponsored billboards? I see titles won and the year of that accomplishment. Do you think Nick Saban cares about cumulative wins? Barry Alvarez? Did Bobby Stoops? Does Lincoln Riley? But since you keep invoking this stunning accomplishment let's delve into the numbers and look what is behind your "data".

From 2014 -2018 (your timeframe of 5 years) the P5 conference teams that we have beaten, have a combined conference record of 78-153. The conference teams we have lost to have a combined record of 99-42. It is clear we are beating up on the lesser teams but not doing so well against the successful teams. Go back two more years to include the entire Greg Davis era (also known as the Genesis of the Brian Ferentz Ascent to the Throne) and it is even worse. 96-191 combined record of teams we have beaten vs 150-63 record of teams we have lost to. Our non-conference P5 opponents from '14 to '18 that we beat had a combined record of 7-18 against ranked teams. Again we are mostly irrelevant on the national scene. Cumulative wins in a 5 or 10 year period doesn't make us relevant.

You don't think BF's conference record of 1-10 against .500 or better teams is relevant or evidence of his lack of aptitude? But go ahead and make light of it. Are you going to claim the cupboard was left bare for him? Or that BF was surprised to be promoted and was caught off guard?

Regarding the two recent losses. I strongly disagree that we lost to Michigan due to turnovers. Our turnovers led to exactly 3 Michigan points. A 1st quarter Michigan FG. That's it. We lost that game because we averaged 3.0 ypc, and that does not even include the Stanley attempts and sacks yardage deduction, and we were outplayed and outcoached on the offensive line. No adjustments from the offensive coaches as we gave up 8 sacks. We had a total of 12 offensive possessions and of those a whopping 6 possessions included at least one sack allowed. We were constantly behind the chains. Combine all of that with a barely 50% completion rate from Stanley AND our inability to score on 1st and goal from the 4 in the first half AND a painfully addled late drive (4th and 36??) all points to another Brian Ferentz inept offensive display.

I will concede to you the Penn St game as they scored 10 points off turnovers. Even though we again failed to run the ball. 24 carries for 75 yards. Again excluding the sacks yardage deduction. Again inept scoring offense. A miraculous catch from Smith or we have scored exactly zero touchdowns in the past two games.

Let's do some team comparisons and compare titles. We can even use your statistical models and timeframe Deano. Let's compare ourselves to a couple of teams close to our hearts. Northwestern and Wisconsin.

In the last 5 years (2014-2018):
Total wins/losses :
Wisconsin 52-15
Iowa 44-22
Northwestern 41-24

Total P5 wins/losses :
Wisconsin 39-11
Northwestern 36-20
Iowa 35-21

Total wins/losses in B1G:
Wisconsin 34-9
Northwestern 29-14
Iowa 27-16

Wins/Losses against .500 or better teams in B1G:
Wisconsin 14-8
Northwestern 9-12
Iowa 6-15

Overall B1G record since Brian Ferentz became OC:
Wisconsin 17-4
Northwestern 15-6
Iowa 10-11

Overall B1G record since Greg Davis year one to present:
Wisconsin 44-15
Northwestern 35-24
Iowa 34-25

Brian Ferentz record as OC against .500 or better B1G teams: 1-10
Greg Davis and BF combined record against .500 or better B1G teams: 8-24

Rankings:
Top 25 (final rankings) in past 5 years:
Wisconsin 4
Northwestern 3
Iowa 2

Top 25 (final rankings) in past 10 years:
Wisconsin 8
Northwestern 4
Iowa 3

Titles since 2010:
Wisconsin: 3 Conference championships and 4 Divisional championships (spanning 3 coaches). (Since 2000, KF has won a total of 2 Conference championships and 1 Divisional championship).
Northwestern: 1 Divisional championship
Iowa: 1 Divisional championship

Goals?:
National championship- Not happening.
Conference championship- Not since 2004, so is every 15-20 years realistic? Good enough?
Divisional championship- One every 3-5 years should be expected. Agree?
These are depressingly modest.

These numbers point out how far behind Wisconsin we have fallen during the Ferentz tenure. We aren't exceeding or even equaling Northwestern except for total wins in the past 5 years, but consider they have played Notre Dame twice preseason while we have played Iowa St. Again, I could care less about how many total wins we have. P5 or not. If Northwestern is nationally irrelevant, and they are, then so are we.

Finally, the Kirk apologists never have a response to Kirk's nepotistic predilections. Including you Deano. You have your head so far up Kirk's arse you can see hawkeyebob. Kirk has put family ahead of winning since 2012. Period. End of story. This is what happens when you reward a coach with TWO lifetime contracts for mediocre results on the field of play. He is too comfortable. He is too entitled. Hell, if Kirk was truly concerned about winning he could have rehired KOK as the OC and left Brian in the trenches. KOK will always be Kirk's gold standard for offensive coordinators.
I can't believe I just typed that.

Thank you for the time and effort to post this.

Iowa is an average team. Good news is we are better than Nebraska

 

[Northside Hawk]

I'm not blaming Iowa for their B1G schedule. Like you said, they have no control over it. I don't have an issue with their non conference schedule either so long as ISU stays decent.

I'm simply stating that I think the B1G West is weak and Iowa's record has benefitted because of that and voters understandably aren't going to be all that impressed with a lot of those wins.

The East on the other hand isn't weak. Since the realignment Iowa has a record of 2-6 vs the Ohio St/Michigan/PSU/MSU. Thats not a slam on Iowa. Thats just facts. Those programs are tough. And luckily Iowa doesn't have to deal with all 4 every season.

Imagine if Iowa had to play 4 games vs OSU/UM/PSU/MSU each season which 3 crossovers against the West. 3 of the West teams Iowa has really struggled with lately. Or imagine the B1G going to a 10 game schedule and eliminating divisions. Things would be a lot tougher.

Point is Iowa is in the very best possible scenario right now. They could not have dreamed of getting a better spot than the one they're in now. When they realigned Iowa basically subbed UM/MSU for WIS. Any coach would take that.

The West record vs the East in regular season B1G games since 2015, and now including last night, is something like 38-45 (I may be off a game one way or the other.) While the east has the upper hand it's not like they're dominating the Little Sisters of the Poor.

What the west needs to do is win a couple CCG's in Indy. If Iowa had held on in 2015 and Wisconsin hadn't blown a big lead to Penn State a year later perhaps the perception might be different.

It's just that the East has a high ceiling-and a deep bottom. The West has more parity, more balance.

 

[Northside Hawk]

Greetings Deano. I have been distracted recently but I can't not respond to this.

The cumulative number of wins in the past 5 or 10 years is basically meaningless. That is an argument people use that AREN'T winning titles. How many arenas/ballparks/stadiums have you been to that have banners for "Cumulative Wins". Good grief. How many small Iowa towns that you enter have "Cumulative Wins in a 5 year span" on their athletic booster club sponsored billboards? I see titles won and the year of that accomplishment. Do you think Nick Saban cares about cumulative wins? Barry Alvarez? Did Bobby Stoops? Does Lincoln Riley? But since you keep invoking this stunning accomplishment let's delve into the numbers and look what is behind your "data".

From 2014 -2018 (your timeframe of 5 years) the P5 conference teams that we have beaten, have a combined conference record of 78-153. The conference teams we have lost to have a combined record of 99-42. It is clear we are beating up on the lesser teams but not doing so well against the successful teams. Go back two more years to include the entire Greg Davis era (also known as the Genesis of the Brian Ferentz Ascent to the Throne) and it is even worse. 96-191 combined record of teams we have beaten vs 150-63 record of teams we have lost to. Our non-conference P5 opponents from '14 to '18 that we beat had a combined record of 7-18 against ranked teams. Again we are mostly irrelevant on the national scene. Cumulative wins in a 5 or 10 year period doesn't make us relevant.

You don't think BF's conference record of 1-10 against .500 or better teams is relevant or evidence of his lack of aptitude? But go ahead and make light of it. Are you going to claim the cupboard was left bare for him? Or that BF was surprised to be promoted and was caught off guard?

Regarding the two recent losses. I strongly disagree that we lost to Michigan due to turnovers. Our turnovers led to exactly 3 Michigan points. A 1st quarter Michigan FG. That's it. We lost that game because we averaged 3.0 ypc, and that does not even include the Stanley attempts and sacks yardage deduction, and we were outplayed and outcoached on the offensive line. No adjustments from the offensive coaches as we gave up 8 sacks. We had a total of 12 offensive possessions and of those a whopping 6 possessions included at least one sack allowed. We were constantly behind the chains. Combine all of that with a barely 50% completion rate from Stanley AND our inability to score on 1st and goal from the 4 in the first half AND a painfully addled late drive (4th and 36??) all points to another Brian Ferentz inept offensive display.

I will concede to you the Penn St game as they scored 10 points off turnovers. Even though we again failed to run the ball. 24 carries for 75 yards. Again excluding the sacks yardage deduction. Again inept scoring offense. A miraculous catch from Smith or we have scored exactly zero touchdowns in the past two games.

Let's do some team comparisons and compare titles. We can even use your statistical models and timeframe Deano. Let's compare ourselves to a couple of teams close to our hearts. Northwestern and Wisconsin.

In the last 5 years (2014-2018):
Total wins/losses :
Wisconsin 52-15
Iowa 44-22
Northwestern 41-24

Total P5 wins/losses :
Wisconsin 39-11
Northwestern 36-20
Iowa 35-21

Total wins/losses in B1G:
Wisconsin 34-9
Northwestern 29-14
Iowa 27-16

Wins/Losses against .500 or better teams in B1G:
Wisconsin 14-8
Northwestern 9-12
Iowa 6-15

Overall B1G record since Brian Ferentz became OC:
Wisconsin 17-4
Northwestern 15-6
Iowa 10-11

Overall B1G record since Greg Davis year one to present:
Wisconsin 44-15
Northwestern 35-24
Iowa 34-25

Brian Ferentz record as OC against .500 or better B1G teams: 1-10
Greg Davis and BF combined record against .500 or better B1G teams: 8-24

Rankings:
Top 25 (final rankings) in past 5 years:
Wisconsin 4
Northwestern 3
Iowa 2

Top 25 (final rankings) in past 10 years:
Wisconsin 8
Northwestern 4
Iowa 3

Titles since 2010:
Wisconsin: 3 Conference championships and 4 Divisional championships (spanning 3 coaches). (Since 2000, KF has won a total of 2 Conference championships and 1 Divisional championship).
Northwestern: 1 Divisional championship
Iowa: 1 Divisional championship

Goals?:
National championship- Not happening.
Conference championship- Not since 2004, so is every 15-20 years realistic? Good enough?
Divisional championship- One every 3-5 years should be expected. Agree?
These are depressingly modest.

These numbers point out how far behind Wisconsin we have fallen during the Ferentz tenure. We aren't exceeding or even equaling Northwestern except for total wins in the past 5 years, but consider they have played Notre Dame twice preseason while we have played Iowa St. Again, I could care less about how many total wins we have. P5 or not. If Northwestern is nationally irrelevant, and they are, then so are we.

Finally, the Kirk apologists never have a response to Kirk's nepotistic predilections. Including you Deano. You have your head so far up Kirk's arse you can see hawkeyebob. Kirk has put family ahead of winning since 2012. Period. End of story. This is what happens when you reward a coach with TWO lifetime contracts for mediocre results on the field of play. He is too comfortable. He is too entitled. Hell, if Kirk was truly concerned about winning he could have rehired KOK as the OC and left Brian in the trenches. KOK will always be Kirk's gold standard for offensive coordinators.
I can't believe I just typed that.

The fact that Barry Alvarez is mentioned in a list with Saban, Stoops and Riley, fourteen years after he hung up the clipboard and headset, tells you everything you need to know about the pereptions of that program. It is still believed that he is in charge, fair or not to Paul Chryst.

It was one of the things that drove Bert right out of Madison. But one thing is true, the Badger HC is held accountable by Barry, even if Alvarez is no longer calling the shots on gameday. When Bert slipped to 7-6 in 2008, and had a reputation for Madison night life, Alvarez quickly stepped in and said "better". That 7-6 was followed by 10-3, 11-2, 11-3 and two Rose Bowls.

Whatever Wisconsin was smoking at the end of last year, they look like it's out of their system now. Accountability. It's a wonderful thing.

 

[hawkeyes87]

The East on the other hand isn't weak. Since the realignment Iowa has a record of 2-6 vs the Ohio St/Michigan/PSU/MSU.

What the west needs to do is win a couple CCG's in Indy. If Iowa had held on in 2015 and Wisconsin hadn't blown a big lead to Penn State a year later perhaps the perception might be different.

It's just that the East has a high ceiling-and a deep bottom. The West has more parity, more balance.

Since the realignment, Wisconsin has clearly dominated the West. But, they're 2-7 against those top 4 from the East.

Looking at it year by year, the teams that won the West ( Wis x3, NW, Hawks ) went a combined 3-8.

The Hawks are pretty lucky the divisions are setup the way they are!​

 

[skinnykilmer17]

@skinnykilmer17 had to stop reading right here. This is so freaking idiotic already there is no need for me to read any more. Seems like you should be a Bama or Clemoson fan as they are the only teams winning titles consistently.

I am referring to Conference or Divisional titles.
Of course you won't read it. Reality bites. Dope.

 

[Xerxes]

The West record vs the East in regular season B1G games since 2015, and now including last night, is something like 38-45 (I may be off a game one way or the other.) While the east has the upper hand it's not like they're dominating the Little Sisters of the Poor.

What the west needs to do is win a couple CCG's in Indy. If Iowa had held on in 2015 and Wisconsin hadn't blown a big lead to Penn State a year later perhaps the perception might be different.

It's just that the East has a high ceiling-and a deep bottom. The West has more parity, more balance.

I'd be very interested to see what the West's record is against Ohio St, Michigan, MSU, and PSU vs their record against Maryland, Indiana, & Rutgers. I know Wisconsin & Iowa both have abysmal records against them.

I'm afraid most of those 38 wins are against those bottom 3.

 

[skinnykilmer17]

The fact that Barry Alvarez is mentioned in a list with Saban, Stoops and Riley, fourteen years after he hung up the clipboard and headset, tells you everything you need to know about the pereptions of that program. It is still believed that he is in charge, fair or not to Paul Chryst.

It was one of the things that drove Bert right out of Madison. But one thing is true, the Badger HC is held accountable by Barry, even if Alvarez is no longer calling the shots on gameday. When Bert slipped to 7-6 in 2008, and had a reputation for Madison night life, Alvarez quickly stepped in and said "better". That 7-6 was followed by 10-3, 11-2, 11-3 and two Rose Bowls.

Whatever Wisconsin was smoking at the end of last year, they look like it's out of their system now. Accountability. It's a wonderful thing.

Yes you nailed it. It all starts at the top.

If you are an agent or a HC do want Alvarez or Barta staring at you from across the table?