Are Iowa fans hypocrits on coaching?

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smoot27

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I've seen a lot of posts throughout that year that say I'm sure glad we have a "classy" coach in Ferentz who isn't jumping around and yelling on the sideline like Stoops and Lynch.

If you follow wrestling at all, you've seen the countless attacks by other fans around the country regarding how Brands and company behave matside. Iowa fans almost always jump to their defense praising them for getting the most out of their athletes with their emotional leadership. Even legendary coach Dan Gable stormed onto the mat to confront Cael Sanderson during a match against ISU a few seasons ago. Brands, Zadick and Schwab at times made Stoops and Lynch look mild-mannered. Why is it that Iowa fans don't apply the same logic to all Iowa coaches? This reeks of hypocrisy.
 
My answer would be because they're different sports.

I would hope to God Dahm does not act like Brands on the baseball field. That would be embarressing. He would get fired.


You don't want a panic attack coach like Wannstedt or Rodriguez. Those guys make me itchy and nervous. Imagine what a player feels when its 74-74 in Overtime and they look over at Rich Rod.


Also each coach can't be who they are not. There is not one mold of personality that works for every sport.

Brands is who he is....... Ferentz is who he is.

Once you try to be someone your not- the players see right through that.
 
its not only what the op mentioned but its also just within football. When the team is playing well its cool to have a cool coach that is so level headed and calm but when the team is **** a lot of ppl ask "what will take to get some fire out of the coach".
 
I'm more than happy if Ferentz keeps an even keel most of the time. But a little emotion in some instances is good too. The hit on Robinson warranted some.
 
I don't think fans are hypocrits at all. I also don't expect coach Ferentz to act differently than his personality. There are some things that continue to repeat and the coaches are NOT great students of history:

We never beat Ohio State usually due to talent differential..this year coaching differential.

Ken O'Keefe still can't adjust to Pat Fitzgerald's D so we continue to lose.

Under Hayden Fry and continued under Ferentz we have NO clue what a 2-minute drill is...and that's a mystery given coach's NFL tenure.

We blitzed less and got burnt deep soooo many times this year and how does that happen if we are playing a bend but don't break D. We haven't been able to get off the field on 3rd downs all year.

In two of our losses all we had to do was come up with a few first downs and Ken O'Keefe was panic stricken most of the time and out witted (The timeout that he called at the end of the Wisconsin game...who in their RIGHT mind pulls that crap!)

What's unforgivable to me is what came out of the announcers' mouths this weekend. Sean McDonough stated something from his interview with Ferentz that REALLY bothered me and it was something like this McD "We asked coach Ferentz about this season's record and performance given this team was pre-season Top 10". And McD responded with Ferentz answer which went something like this.."Other people place that expectation on us we don't and we can't be bothered with other people's expectations..." something to that effect.

If that's the case why are you trying to recruit top talent Kirk? Better yet if we aren't going to live up to expectations then you shouldn't expect to be paid $4MM dollars/yr. then because you shouldn't be placing expectations on the University. Likewise you shouldn't place expectations on new facilities if you only care about week to week and don't place expectations on yourself. Why should we the fans pay money to watch the coaches make some of the worse calls in recent history (The Wisconsin fake punt on 4th down)?

Let's quit pretending and call it like it is....a collossal disappointment and the coaches have had a lot to do with it.
 
Tressel doesn't act like a dbag and his teams still perform quite well. And they expect and are expected to contend for Big Ten and national titles annually.
 
People here seem to mistake the ire over Ferentz's lack of emotion over the hit on Robinson for wanting him to be a maniac on the sidelines. Pretty common principle around here: all or nothing. That's not what most people are talking about.
 
I agree there is a major difference between the sports and whats acceptable in them.

The knock that KF wasn't emotional enough after the Robinson hit is beyond rediculous. I'm contantly amazed how far some go to find fault with this team or coaching staff.. Did anyone stop to think that maybe the reason he didn't go apeshit on the officials was that he was too concerned with the condition of his player laying motionless on the field? I guess it's just another prime example of some people care about the right things (KF the health of his player rather than "getting his" with the officials) and some people care about the wrong things (people being upset he didn't get emotional enough).
 
Sports fans are emotional, irrational, and fickle, and this board is more so than most, albeit with better language. I could write a book on the things people here approve of one week, then detest the next week. I would have 6,000 posts if I felt like calling out all of the hypocracy I read here. Luckily, I have a thing that prevents me from doing that.
 
Iowafarmgirl said:
Sports fans are emotional, irrational, and fickle, and this board is more so than most, albeit with better language. I could write a book on the things people here approve of one week, then detest the next week. I would have 6,000 posts if I felt like calling out all of the hypocracy I read here. Luckily, I have a thing that prevents me from doing that.
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I think you're missing the point. This wasn't intended to engage the general hypocrisy of sports fans, rather, focus on what coaching styles Iowa fans appreciate since that became a relevant topic following the last loss. I mentioned the hypocrisy to point out to those who claim "good" coaches always act in a calm manner (i.e Ferentz), that we have coaches who act every bit like those they criticize during football season. I was hoping the discussion would focus on that, but oh well.
 
Do you have no comprehension skills, seepig?

KF said he doesn't bother with OTHER PEOPLE'S expectations. He never said he didn't have expectations of his own. He simply didn't address what other people thought going into the season.

A proper follow-up to that would have been to ask about his own expectations going into the season and his thoughts on where they were compared to those. My assumption is that he probably was asked that and the answer didn't merit getting talked about on air because he didn't say anything, probably dodging the question.

You are clueless if you think he doesn't put expectations on the program, yet that is what I am taking your interpretation to be based upon your comments.

The cool thing about KF is that he is always honest. He either says what he thinks, which is honest, or he sidesteps the question by saying something that is honest but doesn't reveal anything. But he doesn't consider lying for deception purposes to be the way to go, unlike many in his field.

The trick is that you actually need comprehension skills in order to understand him. Now, I don't disagree that much of this season and its disappointment lies with the coaches. But I do take issue with what I addressed above.
 
ThunderHawk said:
Tressel doesn't act like a dbag and his teams still perform quite well. And they expect and are expected to contend for Big Ten and national titles annually.
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Thunder,

You are pretty dead on with Tressel in that he shows little emotion. Except in the first half and the call on Hines for a personal foul. Tressel was on the field screaming at the refs.

Some could assume that he put a bug in the ear of the officials in the first half and of course Hines was not called for a penalty on the Robinson hit late in the game.

I don't know if KF got upset at the hit by Hines or not on that final drive. If not, that's perplexing to me. The perception of any athlete is that a coach doesn't have your back in that situation if true.

The one thing that did concern me is that KF didn't go out and see his player who was injured and you could tell the way his body kind of went somewhat stiff it was his head.

KF and his family, overall, are great representatives of the university and it's difficult to find that kind of person or family in college football these days. Every now and then and it's a rarity, he does or doesn't do something that many of us find odd given the circumstances, i.e., the Robinson injury.
 
KF can go nuts when he feels the Hawks have been aggrieved. I am fine with that. But he does not spend the whole game doing handstands on the sidelines like Bielema,DickRod,Lynch,Fitz...the dbags of the league. I am glad he does not emulate them.
IN this one instance, I think he would be out there if he had a good view of the hit...but said in the postgame that he was obstructed. It happens. Coaches never get a call changed no matter how much they yell anyway. I prefer KF's demeanor.
 
JHHawk said:
KF can go nuts when he feels the Hawks have been aggrieved. I am fine with that. But he does not spend the whole game doing handstands on the sidelines like Bielema,DickRod,Lynch,Fitz...the dbags of the league. I am glad he does not emulate them.
IN this one instance, I think he would be out there if he had a good view of the hit...but said in the postgame that he was obstructed. It happens. Coaches never get a call changed no matter how much they yell anyway. I prefer KF's demeanor.
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I guess the question is, you feel that coaches like Lynch and Fitz are "d-bags" because they are jumping around and yelling on the sidelines. Do you feel the same about Gable and Brands who may be more animated in there coaching?

I also don't buy the comment that they are different sports either so it doesn't matter. Most other college wrestling fans think it is ridiculous how Brands acts and make the same comments regarding their coaching staffs acting calm and professional Iowa football fans use when discussing Ferentz. I think if Iowa had a football coach who acted like Brands and won championships, he would get a pass from you.
 
smoot27 said:
I think you're missing the point. This wasn't intended to engage the general hypocrisy of sports fans, rather, focus on what coaching styles Iowa fans appreciate since that became a relevant topic following the last loss. I mentioned the hypocrisy to point out to those who claim "good" coaches always act in a calm manner (i.e Ferentz), that we have coaches who act every bit like those they criticize during football season. I was hoping the discussion would focus on that, but oh well.
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Like I said before, because sports fans are emotional, irrational, and fickle, and this fits into what you were saying because they love everything you do when things go well, and hate everything you do when things are bad. Last year, Iowa fans loved having a coach who was cool and collected, and this year they hate it.

Don't read too much into it.
 
Iowafarmgirl said:
Like I said before, because sports fans are emotional, irrational, and fickle, and this fits into what you were saying because they love everything you do when things go well, and hate everything you do when things are bad. Last year, Iowa fans loved having a coach who was cool and collected, and this year they hate it.

Don't read too much into it.
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I agree with that logic 100%. Iowa fans love how Brands acts because he wins championships. If Brands was coaching at ISU or OSU, Iowa fans would be pouting along with the rest of the country about how "unsportsmanlike" and "unprofessional" he is. I happen to like Brands, so this isn't a slam on him by any means.
 
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