Thawki...you are dead right on how good Suh was. The rest of that defense was not much more than above average. Statistically they look great...and that's BECAUSE Suh was so incredible. Without him, they are at best a To 25 defense...nowhere near Top 10. Iowa clearly is a Top 10 defense this year, as last year, and has a real shot at being Top 5 or better by the end of 2010. Nebraska's D, without Suh, will be taking a solid step backwards. He was THAT good.
AC is really good, but re Suh...
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Thawki
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Trust me, loesshillshawk, I am no kind of Husker fan.
That is pretty funny. I hate (in the sports sense) them as much as the next guy. Trust me. But I also understand all-time greatness when I see it and can respect it. Many on here will never admit anything about a Nebraska player being good simply because they hate putting up with the Nebraska fans.
I also find it funny that Iowa fans find the Big 12 schedule suspect but they have rarely if ever found the Big Ten schedule suspect.
That is pretty funny. I hate (in the sports sense) them as much as the next guy. Trust me. But I also understand all-time greatness when I see it and can respect it. Many on here will never admit anything about a Nebraska player being good simply because they hate putting up with the Nebraska fans.
I also find it funny that Iowa fans find the Big 12 schedule suspect but they have rarely if ever found the Big Ten schedule suspect.
Re: Trust me, loesshillshawk, I am no kind of Husker fan.
Thanks for the update....it was just an honest question as I would never watch that game.
Suh was a great player last year but not a cut above the other best D players in the country from year to year. ESPN just decided to get on board. How does Mark Ingram win the Heisman one year after Shonn Greene goes for 1800/20 and not get an invite to NYC?
I'll wait to compare Clayborn's upcoming season with Suh's until after the season.
Thanks for the update....it was just an honest question as I would never watch that game.
Suh was a great player last year but not a cut above the other best D players in the country from year to year. ESPN just decided to get on board. How does Mark Ingram win the Heisman one year after Shonn Greene goes for 1800/20 and not get an invite to NYC?
I'll wait to compare Clayborn's upcoming season with Suh's until after the season.
hoffman22103
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I'll just say again, look at Nebraska's opponents offensive lines compared to the Big 10. Not saying Suh wasn't good, but how can you argue they are the same Thawki?
spudhawk
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Jared Crick is an outstanding football player, while the D-ends were nothing special. But I agree that Suh was a very special player. I think that Clayborn is an elite player for his class not a decade. I think that Suh is slightly overrated but really Thawki is correct with most of what he has written. I think he must have benefitted somehow from the check he wrote to NU to be so effusive in praise though 
Herkeynerd
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Re: Now wait a minute
Easy for that team to have dominant stats on D when they are playing in the Big 12 north for the majority of their games. Outside the big 12 they play cupcakes. Oh, and all big twelve teams seem to struggle on offense when they go up against an above average defense. Nebraska last year was at least that. But there really is no comparison because each player is totally different and does totally different things. Not to be cliche, but apples and oranges for sure.
Easy for that team to have dominant stats on D when they are playing in the Big 12 north for the majority of their games. Outside the big 12 they play cupcakes. Oh, and all big twelve teams seem to struggle on offense when they go up against an above average defense. Nebraska last year was at least that. But there really is no comparison because each player is totally different and does totally different things. Not to be cliche, but apples and oranges for sure.
ShadasRevenge
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You're going to have a hard time getting anyone here (or anyone else, I would imagine) to agree with you on that.
Not sure what point you're trying to make there.
ShadasRevenge
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If you believe that the o-lines of Kansas, K-State, Colorado, etc....were better than the lines of Wisconsin, OSU, PSU, MSU, etc...be my guest. Unless you've got something that would prove your point, you're going to have a hard time convincing anyone.
The Big 12 North was bad last year. Really bad.
Wisconsin, OSU, PSU, MSU
You see, Nebraska's schedule didn't include ONLY North teams.
How about comparing those with:
Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Missouri, Virginia Tech
I'd say those 4 compare very favorably to the four you mentioned.
And to be honest, Kansas and Iowa State had better OL's than most of Iowa's opponents, certainly with the exception of the top 4 you mentioned above.
You see, Nebraska's schedule didn't include ONLY North teams.
How about comparing those with:
Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Missouri, Virginia Tech
I'd say those 4 compare very favorably to the four you mentioned.
And to be honest, Kansas and Iowa State had better OL's than most of Iowa's opponents, certainly with the exception of the top 4 you mentioned above.
ShadasRevenge
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I'm sure you're aware that Kansas finished 5-7 last year, and that ISU was a fluke of a game from doing the same.
ThunderHawk
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The same exact statement could be said about Clayborn.
And then there's this:
[ame]http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=r6lNerEYw4E&feature=related[/ame]
You can go ahead and mention them in the same breath.
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Kansas may have been 5-7, and ISU 6-6...but there OL's were both quite good. ISU, as you know, showed it was better than another Big Ten bowl team....aka Minnesota.
AC is a great player, no doubt. Perhaps the best DL in the country, but no...he's not at the same level as Suh was. That's not a put down at all...there's 20 seasons worth of All American DL's in the same boat.
AC is a great player, no doubt. Perhaps the best DL in the country, but no...he's not at the same level as Suh was. That's not a put down at all...there's 20 seasons worth of All American DL's in the same boat.
Re: Trust me, loesshillshawk, I am no kind of Husker fan.
Wow, that comment lost you some respect.
In the conf. regular season Nebraska played teams that combined for a overall record of 50-50. Only one team won 9 games and half of the teams did NOT even go to a bowl game. NONE were ranked in the final BCS Poll. Results below:
Missouri 8-5
Texas Tech 9-4
Iowa St 7-6
Baylor 4-8
Oklahoma 8-5
Kansas 5-7
K St 6-6
Colorado 3-9
On to Iowa: In the conf. regular season Iowa played teams that combined for a overall record of 61-41. Unlike none of the Husker opponents having double digit wins, Iowa faced 3 teams winning 10+ games and 6/8 teams went to a bowl game in 2009. Iowa faced three teams that finished the 2009 season ranked in the final BCS poll.
PSU 11-2
Michigan 5-7
Wisconsin 10-3
Mich St 6-7
Indiana 4-8
NW 8-5
OSU 11-2
Mn 6-7
Wow, that comment lost you some respect.
In the conf. regular season Nebraska played teams that combined for a overall record of 50-50. Only one team won 9 games and half of the teams did NOT even go to a bowl game. NONE were ranked in the final BCS Poll. Results below:
Missouri 8-5
Texas Tech 9-4
Iowa St 7-6
Baylor 4-8
Oklahoma 8-5
Kansas 5-7
K St 6-6
Colorado 3-9
On to Iowa: In the conf. regular season Iowa played teams that combined for a overall record of 61-41. Unlike none of the Husker opponents having double digit wins, Iowa faced 3 teams winning 10+ games and 6/8 teams went to a bowl game in 2009. Iowa faced three teams that finished the 2009 season ranked in the final BCS poll.
PSU 11-2
Michigan 5-7
Wisconsin 10-3
Mich St 6-7
Indiana 4-8
NW 8-5
OSU 11-2
Mn 6-7
Lets see how the year plays out in 2010---Clayborn is not done yet.
AC was not a true junior, he redshirted.
ShadasRevenge
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I'm sure that had nothing to do with the fact the Minnesota, having been to that game three years in a row, wasn't all that geeked up to play ISU. OTOH, ISU, having not been to a bowl game in 4 years and generally considered to be a doormat, was understably very excited.
Both teams racked up boatloads of yards on offense, but neither could score. Both team commited multiple turnovers at bad times. I believe Minnesota had a pick in the end zone, and then the fumble where Brewster outcoached himself on the Gophers final possesion. Arnaud had his usual big-game sphincter-tightening and turned it over four times. It was a battle of who sucks less, and ISU was just a little more convincing. Yay?
