3 Loss ISU to New Year's Six

Not only are they in on controversial merits, but they probably drew the easiest opponent of the NY6 lineup. This year's Oregon team is one of the worst I've seen from that program in several years.
 
Looking at the 1/1 and 1/2 games, it seems to be the least compelling Bowl schedule I can ever remember. I don't see one game other than the playoff games that I really want to watch. And I'm not all that compelled to watch them. Kind of a good wrap up of the 2020 season. Not compelling.
 
CP87 said:
Good year by ISU; they probably don't deserve to be in NY6 ahead of some of the other contenders, but in a screwed-up year like this, meh.

Ultimately, it is not ISU's fault they got put in this game, and it is not fair that they have to try to defend a pretty special season against outside attackers. We remember what that felt like in 2015. Not comparing the '20 Clones to the '15 Hawks, but the experience of having people from the outside aggressively trying to cheapen your season is shared.

I would like to see the Clones lay one on Oregon.
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Tbf the Clowns had an above average season, not a particularly special one. The only reason they were in the B12 championship was because of Covid.
 
RyDogg said:
I think Barta lobbied hard to get OSU in the playoffs, so he had to throw the rest of the BIG 10 under the bus. Seems like all other BIG 10 teams got lesser bowls than what they normally would. Not sure what the thought process or logic is for ISU to get into the top 15 even, but who knows. Seems like the "committee" decided to punish the rest of the BIG 10 for their antics at the beginning of the season, but still couldn't justify keeping OSU out. I don't think many real analysts think any of the BIG 12 teams deserve a top 10 ranking, let alone 4 in the top 25. Just seems like a reward for playing close to a full season and a slap in the face to the non-Power 5 teams that did and have no flaws in their record.
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Condoleezza Rice Is on the committee, and that’s all you need to know. Condie’s qualifications? She often watched NFL games on Sunday. She is probably less qualified for the position than most of the regular posters here.
 
This may prove to be an unpopular take, but some of you are underestimating ISU by a pretty wide margin. That's a solid team - not great, but certainly very good. That's about the same as I would say about the Hawks this year. I would have absolutely loved a matchup with ISU this year. First and foremost for the chance to beat their asses but, secondly, I think it could have been one of the highest quality if not THE biggest quality) matchup in series history. I certainly don't think ISU has been at this level in the modern series (1977) history.

Both ISU and Iowa are better teams than Indiana or Northwestern. Yes, I know we lost to NW, but I would take those guys on again any time, any place. If you look at their resume (as they say on the college bball side), ISU absolutely has a case for a NY6 berth. That makes me happy because that shows the committee/system is willing to throw a non-brand name program with perhaps not the most eye popping W/L record a bone. Make no mistake, neither Iowa or ISU are brand name programs - nowhere near it. Iowa is pretty clearly consistently the better program of the two but if you think there are a whole lot of people outside the state of Iowa who see the gap as a big one, you're crazy.

If you want something to wring your hands over, look at Notre Dame making the playoffs. I'd also classify ND as "good, not great" but, guess what? 1-loss brand name team - they're In Like Flynn. They aren't at the level of the other 3 CFP teams and I have a feeling I'll be proved right on the field regarding that assertion. There are any number of teams that could make a case for that 4th slot, but I don't think anyone who knows a bit about college football is too surprised to see ND getting the nod (for the wrong reasons, IMO).
 
WinOneThisCentury said:
LOL...why are you comparing them to Iowa. I don't believe Iowa deserves a New Year's Six. I want you to consider one thing. The Big 12 is overrated. Now, assume that is the case...what does that do to ISU's resume?

There is also evidence that the conference is overrated. The Sun Belt owned them this year. How do you explain that?
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Because I think Iowa can beat anyone not in the top-4.....and we are better than Indiana...and Iowa State. Thats why.

True....but Oklahoma is and has been above "the weak Big 12" argument. A win over Oklahoma most years is a good win. Indiana has zero quality wins. One quality loss. Argue as much as you like..win over top 20 Louisiana, Oklahoma, traditional power Texas....point to any quality win that Indiana has. Maybe Indiana is better than the clowns...but on paper...their resume lacks one quality win. Iowa vs Indiana in champions week would have guaranteed a NY6 bid for one.
 
proudhawkfan21 said:
Because I think Iowa can beat anyone not in the top-4.....and we are better than Indiana...and Iowa State. Thats why.

True....but Oklahoma is and has been above "the weak Big 12" argument. A win over Oklahoma most years is a good win. Indiana has zero quality wins. One quality loss. Argue as much as you like..win over top 20 Louisiana, Oklahoma, traditional power Texas....point to any quality win that Indiana has. Maybe Indiana is better than the clowns...but on paper...their resume lacks one quality win. Iowa vs Indiana in champions week would have guaranteed a NY6 bid for one.
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One problem with your argument...Iowa State lost to Louisiana by three scores...and was bitch stomped the last six minutes with 12 straight runs resulting in a touchdown. Maybe OU can be considered a top 20 team...since they lost to ISU and Kansas State, both of whom lost to Sun Belt teams...but not a top ten team. That's fantasy.

I'm not arguing for Iowa...or for Indiana per se...I'm saying Coastal Carolina, based on the wins...has a better resume. Cincinnati should be there too. Georgia...then Indiana....not a three loss team.
 
RyDogg said:
I think Barta lobbied hard to get OSU in the playoffs, so he had to throw the rest of the BIG 10 under the bus. Seems like all other BIG 10 teams got lesser bowls than what they normally would. Not sure what the thought process or logic is for ISU to get into the top 15 even, but who knows. Seems like the "committee" decided to punish the rest of the BIG 10 for their antics at the beginning of the season, but still couldn't justify keeping OSU out. I don't think many real analysts think any of the BIG 12 teams deserve a top 10 ranking, let alone 4 in the top 25. Just seems like a reward for playing close to a full season and a slap in the face to the non-Power 5 teams that did and have no flaws in their record.
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I dunno. If Ohio State fails to make the playoffs it knocks every B1G school further down the ladder in the pecking order.
 
WinOneThisCentury said:
One problem with your argument...Iowa State lost to Louisiana by three scores...and was bitch stomped the last six minutes with 12 straight runs resulting in a touchdown. Maybe OU can be considered a top 20 team...since they lost to ISU and Kansas State, both of whom lost to Sun Belt teams...but not a top ten team. That's fantasy.

I'm not arguing for Iowa...or for Indiana per se...I'm saying Coastal Carolina, based on the wins...has a better resume. Cincinnati should be there too. Georgia...then Indiana....not a three loss team.
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I'm not arguing, you are lol I'm giving an opinion. Power 5 schools and regular season champs have the inside track. Its always been that way. You certainly can argue for Coastal Carolina...but wins over Louisiana and BYU with a 1-AAish schedule the rest of the way....its a lose lose 2020 debate for all of us. I dont support ISU being a NY6 bowl team..but I understand why they were chosen. I want power 5 conferences who play other power 5 teams week in and week out 8+ times to be rewarded. Take your Dec 27 bowl and be happy mid majors.
 
proudhawkfan21 said:
I'm not arguing, you are lol I'm giving an opinion. Power 5 schools and regular season champs have the inside track. Its always been that way. You certainly can argue for Coastal Carolina...but wins over Louisiana and BYU with a 1-AAish schedule the rest of the way....its a lose lose 2020 debate for all of us. I dont support ISU being a NY6 bowl team..but I understand why they were chosen. I want power 5 conferences who play other power 5 teams week in and week out 8+ times to be rewarded. Take your Dec 27 bowl and be happy mid majors.
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Honest question. Should the Pac12 and Big12 still be considered Power 5 Conferences?
 
RyDogg said:
Honest question. Should the Pac12 and Big12 still be considered Power 5 Conferences?
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No, but the B1G is barely clinging as well. And the ACC is absolutely nothing other than Clemson. The power band of good football that starts in Louisiana and ends at the Clemson exit on I-85 is just ridiculous. I don't know if it's good for the long term health of college football. If no school outside of Florida, Georgia, Bama, Louisiana and South Carolina ever has a reasonable shot at the title, it seems like people who drive the TV ratings might start tuning out.
 
okeefe4prez said:
No, but the B1G is barely clinging as well. And the ACC is absolutely nothing other than Clemson. The power band of good football that starts in Louisiana and ends at the Clemson exit on I-85 is just ridiculous. I don't know if it's good for the long term health of college football. If no school outside of Florida, Georgia, Bama, Louisiana and South Carolina ever has a reasonable shot at the title, it seems like people who drive the TV ratings might start tuning out.
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At some point a team from Texas will emerge, just WAY too much talent in Texas.
 
RyDogg said:
I think Barta lobbied hard to get OSU in the playoffs, so he had to throw the rest of the BIG 10 under the bus. Seems like all other BIG 10 teams got lesser bowls than what they normally would. Not sure what the thought process or logic is for ISU to get into the top 15 even, but who knows. Seems like the "committee" decided to punish the rest of the BIG 10 for their antics at the beginning of the season, but still couldn't justify keeping OSU out. I don't think many real analysts think any of the BIG 12 teams deserve a top 10 ranking, let alone 4 in the top 25. Just seems like a reward for playing close to a full season and a slap in the face to the non-Power 5 teams that did and have no flaws in their record.
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This.

#11 Indiana had one loss...to the #3 CFP seed...by a touchdown...on the road. Statistically, the second best B10 team.
(Texas A&M, in a similar situation, argued their only loss to Alabama warranted A&M for a CFP slot.)
For this performance, Indiana is rewarded with the Outback bowl!
Against 4-5 Mississippi - with the 8th best record in the SEC.

Meanwhile, the non-CFP NY 6 bowls are populated with 3 loss conference champ game runner-ups such as Florida & ISU, plus 3 loss NC and 2 loss Georgia who did not even qualify for conference championship games.
But not 6-2/ B10 runner up #14 Northwestern, who plays irrelevant 6-4 Auburn in the Citrus Bowl.

After that, #15 Iowa was simply the 3rd B10 domino to fall to this years anti-B10 bias, playing also unranked 5-5 Missouri in the third tier Music City bowl.

Nice Job Gary!!
 
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okeefe4prez said:
No, but the B1G is barely clinging as well. And the ACC is absolutely nothing other than Clemson. The power band of good football that starts in Louisiana and ends at the Clemson exit on I-85 is just ridiculous. I don't know if it's good for the long term health of college football. If no school outside of Florida, Georgia, Bama, Louisiana and South Carolina ever has a reasonable shot at the title, it seems like people who drive the TV ratings might start tuning out.
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Yeah, you took the words right out of my mouth. If you want to strip the Big XII or the Pac 12 of P5 status, then the Big Ten is going too.

The Big XII and one of the Pac 12's divisions are both higher than the Big Ten in the Sagarin ratings.
 
Doesn't really matter. According to the mouth-breathers on CyFan, NY6 bowls aren't what they used to be and really aren't much of an accomplishment.
 
NY6 bowls are consolation prizes to teams left out of the playoffs.
Nice entertainment and some decent matchups, but really nothing more than that.

When the playoffs expand to 8 and beyond, the NY6 bowls will mean less and less.
 
Luftgekuehlt67 said:
Yeah, you took the words right out of my mouth. If you want to strip the Big XII or the Pac 12 of P5 status, then the Big Ten is going too.

The Big XII and one of the Pac 12's divisions are both higher than the Big Ten in the Sagarin ratings.
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you are a moron. How in the hell does any computer rating have any semblance of validity when the BIG only played games against each other? And the Big 12 was 0-3 against the Sunbelt. Oklahoma had their worst team in 20 years and still won the league. The Big 12 was a joke..
 
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