3 Loss ISU to New Year's Six

[BryceC]

There is no data point that would allow you to put ISU in a New Years Six. They are...but I'm trying to understand the logic.

I already explained it to you. Wins over #20 and #6 in their poll and based on their polling, ISU played 5 games against top 25 teams so a pretty good schedule. At this point you're trying to not understand.

If you want to see the committee put another G5 team in the NY6... well you just don't understand that this is a moneymaking business apparently and those teams just don't get added for good or ill.

 

[WinOneThisCentury]

I already explained it to you. Wins over #20 and #6 in their poll and based on their polling, ISU played 5 games against top 25 teams so a pretty good schedule. At this point you're trying to not understand.

If you want to see the committee put another G5 team in the NY6... well you just don't understand that this is a moneymaking business apparently and those teams just don't get added for good or ill.

So they went 2-3 in the five games against the top 25, and you think because they won two, that puts them in the top ten? LOL. What freaking world do you live in? You had a losing record against the good teams you played...gee...that should put us in the New Years Six. This truly is Clown World.

Never mind that these great teams you are discussing lost to teams like Louisiana, Arkansas State, Kansas State...etc. Those are markers that define how strong a league is. Texas in the top 25...who exactly did they beat? No one...they lost every game that was to a team with a pulse. How are they in the top 25?

Are you yanking me here...and I keep falling for it. Or are you serious?

 

[RyDogg]

I think Barta lobbied hard to get OSU in the playoffs, so he had to throw the rest of the BIG 10 under the bus. Seems like all other BIG 10 teams got lesser bowls than what they normally would. Not sure what the thought process or logic is for ISU to get into the top 15 even, but who knows. Seems like the "committee" decided to punish the rest of the BIG 10 for their antics at the beginning of the season, but still couldn't justify keeping OSU out. I don't think many real analysts think any of the BIG 12 teams deserve a top 10 ranking, let alone 4 in the top 25. Just seems like a reward for playing close to a full season and a slap in the face to the non-Power 5 teams that did and have no flaws in their record.

 

[WinOneThisCentury]

You should just stop responding and take that bowl game like you stole it. I'll be rooting for ISU to beat Oregon...but to say you deserved it is ludicrous.

You had your manhood castrated by a Sun Belt team (12 straight runs to seal a two touchdown win in Ames)...and then you lose two other games...and still make a New Year's Six. Right...completely justified.

This entire argument sums up why Hawkeye fans laugh at Clone fans...you just made an argument that you deserve a Top Ten ranking when you have a losing record against the best teams you played. You are actually 1-3 against Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Louisiana. Texas is not a top 25 team.

 

[RyDogg]

So they went 2-3 in the five games against the top 25, and you think because they won two, that puts them in the top ten? LOL. What freaking world do you live in? You had a losing record against the good teams you played...gee...that should put us in the New Years Six. This truly is Clown World.

Never mind that these great teams you are discussing lost to teams like Louisiana, Arkansas State, Kansas State...etc. Those are markers that define how strong a league is. Texas in the top 25...who exactly did they beat? No one...they lost every game that was to a team with a pulse. How are they in the top 25?

Are you yanking me here...and I keep falling for it. Or are you serious?

Based on the BIG 12 "success" against the Sun Belt, I wonder if any BIG 12 team finishes in the upper half of the Sun Belt Conference this year. Maybe Oklahoma?

 

[okeefe4prez]

Based on the BIG 12 "success" against the Sun Belt, I wonder if any BIG 12 team finishes in the upper half of the Sun Belt Conference this year. Maybe Oklahoma?

ISU would have lost 3 with a full Sun Belt schedule. Louisiana, Coastal and App State would have beaten them. So they would have been in the upper half, but certainly not at the top of that conference. I'm not sure Iowa would have fared much better, particularly if we played the better Sun Belt teams early.

 

[BryceC]

So they went 2-3 in the five games against the top 25, and you think because they won two, that puts them in the top ten? LOL. What freaking world do you live in?

The same one as the CFP committee.

I don't think many real analysts think any of the BIG 12 teams deserve a top 10 ranking, let alone 4 in the top 25.

The Massey ratings composite compares many different ratings systems, and there are 4 Big 12 teams in the top 20, OU in the top 10, and ISU at 12. The real analysts have a consensus and they agree with the CFP.

 

[WinOneThisCentury]

ISU would have lost 3 with a full Sun Belt schedule. Louisiana, Coastal and App State would have beaten them. So they would have been in the upper half, but certainly not at the top of that conference. I'm not sure Iowa would have fared much better, particularly if we played the better Sun Belt teams early.

Here's the difference between a clone fan and an Iowa fan.

I completely agree with you...if Iowa had played Louisiana early...who knows...Coastal Carolina...who knows. I'll admit...those would be very competitive games and could Iowa have lost them...yes.

The clone fans will be all arrogant that the Louisiana game was a fluke etc. A fluke is not the appropriate language when the other team takes the ball at the end of the game with 6 minutes left and methodically runs twelve times in a row to score another touchdown and run out the clock to win by 17...three scores. No Fluke.

 

[WinOneThisCentury]

The same one as the CFP committee.



The Massey ratings composite compares many different ratings systems, and there are 4 Big 12 teams in the top 20, OU in the top 10, and ISU at 12. The real analysts have a consensus and they agree with the CFP

Ok...you stick to the ratings. It's clear to anyone with a brain that they gave the Big 12 a bias because of the game count. You can't point to non conference strength because that was a major major negative. What else can you point to? In conference games...and preseason rankings...all a joke.

Are you saying that ISU was not 2-3 against top 25 teams? Oklahoma lost to an ISU team that had lost to a Sun Belt team. Then Oklahoma loses to Kansas State who had lost to a different Sun Belt team. And you, in your infinite wisdom taut that Oklahoma when ISU played them was the 6th ranked team in the country. LOL. That's freaking hilarious...mind numbing hilarious.

The Big 12 was the only conference playing early so they all got inflated ratings...and we all know what happens when you get the early ratings bonanza...you stay in the ratings...and fall, but never too far...then when you win a few...well...you start bouncing back.

The sad part is that ISU doesn't have the Iowa game...that measuring stick game. If they had beaten Iowa...then you have a marker...albeit an early season one.

 

[kicker22]

Call me crazy but I don't have any sympathy for Indiana. As previously stated they could/should have been playing us this past weekend, but instead they missed an opportunity to play one of the hottest teams in the conference and instead "mutually" called in sick with Purdue.

I'm not saying they could/couldn't have put a team on the field vs. Purdue, but that game became the biggest game of their season once the league put OSU in the Championship and they lucked out by getting a rivalry game rather than a match up with us. They had an opportunity to make a statement to the committee and agreed to bow out. Regardless of what I feel about ISU getting in, I simply think the cancellation of the Purdue game went hand in hand with them looking like a lock to be in a NY6 game, and they showed how bad they wanted it by bowing out.

 

[kicker22]

Ok...you stick to the ratings. It's clear to anyone with a brain that they gave the Big 12 a bias because of the game count. You can't point to non conference strength because that was a major major negative. What else can you point to? In conference games...and preseason rankings...all a joke.

Are you saying that ISU was not 2-3 against top 25 teams? Oklahoma lost to an ISU team that had lost to a Sun Belt team. Then Oklahoma loses to Kansas State who had lost to a different Sun Belt team. And you, in your infinite wisdom taut that Oklahoma when ISU played them was the 6th ranked team in the country. LOL. That's freaking hilarious...mind numbing hilarious.

The Big 12 was the only conference playing early so they all got inflated ratings...and we all know what happens when you get the early ratings bonanza...you stay in the ratings...and fall, but never too far...then when you win a few...well...you start bouncing back.

The sad part is that ISU doesn't have the Iowa game...that measuring stick game. If they had beaten Iowa...then you have a marker...albeit an early season one.

Agreed about game count bias, but Indiana other than giving OSU every thing they had arguably as soft a schedule with their marquee wins against PSU, Michigan, and Wsiconsin. I agree with the measuring stick game, but I don't see any wins on Indiana's shortened season jumping out saying they deserve the benefit of the doubt.

Again I'm not sticking up for ISU, but rather saying someone has to play in a NY6 game. Truthfully I'd of rather seen Coastal Carolina get in over both of them. I'd say with 11-0 and a win against BYU (on 3 days notice) it was a more impressive win then either ISU or Indiana had.

 

[WinOneThisCentury]

In order for you to put ISU in the top ten, you have to prove to me that Oklahoma is a top 6 team. Based on ISU having two other losses and OU lost to you guys...based on OU's loss to K-State who has 4 losses...how is that even possible? It's not...that's the fact jack.

 

[Ree4]

Heheh their forums are so amazing. It's hard to find a lot of things this year to laugh about, but check this one out:

"You can't say that the refs were not a big factor. I'm not going to complain about the result of the game and them much but they were absolutely atrocious. They destroyed any momentum in the first half.


For as bad as we played and for as much bull **** we had to deal with I'm super proud of the effort the team showed. We overcame all of that and had a good shot to win.

Screw whatever the Big 12 wants to call it, but we were the Big 12 regular season champions. We should be going to a NY6 game. Lets win that and come back for a Natty next year."

 

[WinOneThisCentury]

Agreed about game count bias, but Indiana other than giving OSU every thing they had arguably as soft a schedule with their marquee wins against PSU, Michigan, and Wsiconsin. I agree with the measuring stick game, but I don't see any wins on Indiana's shortened season jumping out saying they deserve the benefit of the doubt.

Again I'm not sticking up for ISU, but rather saying someone has to play in a NY6 game. Truthfully I'd of rather seen Coastal Carolina get in over both of them. I'd say with 11-0 and a win against BYU (on 3 days notice) it was a more impressive win then either ISU or Indiana had.

The point is that you have at least four teams that were more deserving than ISU...and I don't think it's close. Coastal Carolina, Cincinnati, Georgia, and Indiana. I'd even say Georgia at 7-2 deserves consideration with losses to Alabama and Florida. There are no Arkansas State or Louisiana losses on Georgia's resume.

 

[kicker22]

Heheh their forums are so amazing. It's hard to find a lot of things this year to laugh about, but check this one out:

"You can't say that the refs were not a big factor. I'm not going to complain about the result of the game and them much but they were absolutely atrocious. They destroyed any momentum in the first half.


For as bad as we played and for as much bull **** we had to deal with I'm super proud of the effort the team showed. We overcame all of that and had a good shot to win.

Screw whatever the Big 12 wants to call it, but we were the Big 12 regular season champions. We should be going to a NY6 game. Lets win that and come back for a Natty next year."

Got to love playing the "super proud" moral victory card and putting them in the discussion for next years Natty. I'm assuming it's a Natty Light, because 3 losses regardless of what power houses beat you doesn't put you anywhere near the playoffs.

That said, little buddy's dreaming big.

 

[kicker22]

The point is that you have at least four teams that were more deserving than ISU...and I don't think it's close. Coastal Carolina, Cincinnati, Georgia, and Indiana. I'd even say Georgia at 7-2 deserves consideration with losses to Alabama and Florida. There are no Arkansas State or Louisiana losses on Georgia's resume.

That I can agree with 100%

 

[proudhawkfan21]

I think Iowa could beat anyone not in the top 4 this year. That being said, Iowa State's resume is better than both Iowa and Indiana. Neither of us beat a "good" team short of Wisconsin...and thats a stretch. Iowa State Fiesta Bowl covid 2020 asterisk is fine. Have at it little brother. Wish they would have put them against someone more lethal. They might win and get really big heads lol

 

[ssckelley]

I hate the ISU game with a passion, but now that they think they're good, we have to keep playing them otherwise it'd be their fan base saying how we ran away once ISU started winning.

Which is fine. Seeing Matty cry in his beer every time we beat those genetic defectives will be more wirth it now.

I'm ok with that, they are no longer a warm up game. If ISU keeps doing well then Iowa doesn't need to go find another good non conference game, they've already got one baked into the schedule every year. With a 9 game conference schedule the non conference should look like this (in this order):

vs Cream Puff U
vs decent MAC opponent
vs Iowa State

I'd also be ok with dumping ISU and finding another good P5 opponent to play every year and I wouldn't care how much the Clowns cried.

 

[RyDogg]

Agreed about game count bias, but Indiana other than giving OSU every thing they had arguably as soft a schedule with their marquee wins against PSU, Michigan, and Wsiconsin. I agree with the measuring stick game, but I don't see any wins on Indiana's shortened season jumping out saying they deserve the benefit of the doubt.

Again I'm not sticking up for ISU, but rather saying someone has to play in a NY6 game. Truthfully I'd of rather seen Coastal Carolina get in over both of them. I'd say with 11-0 and a win against BYU (on 3 days notice) it was a more impressive win then either ISU or Indiana had.

I don't see any wins for Indiana or ISU that jump out. If they want to downplay their loss to Louisiana because it was early in the season and Louisiana is good, they have to downplay their early season win against Oklahoma in one of their worst seasons in years. Also, Oklahoma made up for the early season loss.

I don't necessarily think Indiana deserves to be in either, with their schedule and avoiding a game this weekend (including avoiding the team they should have matched up with this weekend)

 

[WinOneThisCentury]

I think Iowa could beat anyone not in the top 4 this year. That being said, Iowa State's resume is better than both Iowa and Indiana. Neither of us beat a "good" team short of Wisconsin...and thats a stretch. Iowa State Fiesta Bowl covid 2020 asterisk is fine. Have at it little brother. Wish they would have put them against someone more lethal. They might win and get really big heads lol

LOL...why are you comparing them to Iowa. I don't believe Iowa deserves a New Year's Six. I want you to consider one thing. The Big 12 is overrated. Now, assume that is the case...what does that do to ISU's resume?

There is also evidence that the conference is overrated. The Sun Belt owned them this year. How do you explain that?