2013 NFL Draft: Iowa Preview

good write up and press...davis and cjf could become big time draft prospects with their size and skills.
 
08-03-2012 09:01 AMFoval21
good write up and press...davis and cjf could become big time draft prospects with their size and skills.

My thoughts exactly.
 
We're not talking Keenan Davis are we? Our school's best WR got picked in the 6th round. I know measurables might be there but tape/production isn't. If that's the case he's going to have a stellar year.
 
DTF said:
We're not talking Keenan Davis are we? Our school's best WR got picked in the 6th round. I know measurables might be there but tape/production isn't. If that's the case he's going to have a stellar year.
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These are draft projections. Not production projections. Measurables carry a lot of weight in the draft.
 
DTF said:
We're not talking Keenan Davis are we? Our school's best WR got picked in the 6th round. I know measurables might be there but tape/production isn't. If that's the case he's going to have a stellar year.
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last i checked his jr season was very good numberswise in comparison to other seasons by #2 receivers for iowa. he we be a very good #1 this yr.
 
Marvin McNutt (JR year statistics): 53 REC, 861 YDS, 8 TD
Keenan Davis (JR year statistics): 50 REC, 713 YDS, 4 TD

McNutt and Davis both had very similar junior seasons, and Keenan did that while playing through an injury for half the season (IIRC, it was an ankle injury, which are very debilitating for wide receivers). They have similar size, and Keenan has better speed than McNutt. Why do people rag on Keenan, and question his abilities? I understand he dropped some balls last year, but so did Marvin. Why is Keenan held to a higher standard?

Davis has just as much, if not more, physical talent than McNutt. There is no reason to think that Davis can't put up similar numbers to McNutt's senior season. 75 catches and 1200 yards is most certainly NOT out of the question.
 
herkyattack said:
Marvin McNutt (JR year statistics): 53 REC, 861 YDS, 8 TDKeenan Davis (JR year statistics): 50 REC, 713 YDS, 4 TDMcNutt and Davis both had very similar junior seasons, and Keenan did that while playing through an injury for half the season (IIRC, it was an ankle injury, which are very debilitating for wide receivers). They have similar size, and Keenan has better speed than McNutt. Why do people rag on Keenan, and question his abilities? I understand he dropped some balls last year, but so did Marvin. Why is Keenan held to a higher standard? Davis has just as much, if not more, physical talent than McNutt. There is no reason to think that Davis can't put up similar numbers to McNutt's senior season. 75 catches and 1200 yards is most certainly NOT out of the question.
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keenan also put up those numbers while competing for balls against mcnutt's record season while mcnutt had his jr season competing for balls with a guy that ended up getting kicked off the team and had nowhere near 1200 yds.

if kd is healthy then i see him really exploding this yr as i think this west coast style will play to his strengths. get him the ball quick and let his athleticism do the rest. mcnutt didnt have that ability. he needed time to get down the field then catch the ball. similar bodies but skillsets are different.

the reason people scoff at kd's jr season is because of mcnutt's sr season. do people really expect to have 2 1000 yd receivers on 1 team...doesnt happen. the expectations for kd out of hs were also way too much. people thought he would start as a frosh and so he cant do anything to them because he didnt live up to it early.
 
Biggest difference for me? I always heard coaches raving about Marvin's work ethic and attitude and leadership. Always. KD? <crickets chirping where coaches could be/should be raving>
That is tell-tale to me. Instead, I hear things like "Time for him to step up."
It took Pat Angerer three seasons before the attitude "clicked" for him. His last two years were stellar. I am hoping for the same for KD.
 
HawkeyeHypnosis said:
2013 NFL Draft: Iowa Preview - CBSSports

Good write ups on these players. Hyde, Davis, Ferentz, Fiedorowicz, Vandenberg are the top 5 they talk about.
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Just missed:
OG Matt Tobin (6-6, 290)
DT Steve Bigach (6-3, 285)
OLB Christian Kirksey (6-2, 220)*
MLB James Morris (6-2, 230)*
FS Tanner Miller (6-2, 200)*


Tobin? ....seriously????

Sorry, but just because he's the other returning OL starter doesn't make him an NFL prospect.
 
DTF said:
We're not talking Keenan Davis are we? Our school's best WR got picked in the 6th round. I know measurables might be there but tape/production isn't. If that's the case he's going to have a stellar year.
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Measurables will get you drafted too.

There have been tons of receivers with allot less production but better measurables who have been drafted allot higher than McNutt was.
 
DTF said:
We're not talking Keenan Davis are we? Our school's best WR got picked in the 6th round. I know measurables might be there but tape/production isn't. If that's the case he's going to have a stellar year.
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he's got better production than any returning receiver in the B10.

#suckonthosemeasurables
 
Ahh! Too many replies...can't...quote...(not easily at least)

I'd like to preface this by saying I don't think Keenan is a bad player, I'm just looking at the pattern in front of me. I'll be rooting for him whenever he gets the ball and will HAPPILY eat crow if you guys are right and I'm even the slightest bit wrong. (I'll post my address so you can mail me the crows)

McNutt passed the eye test the entire time he was here, consistently made big plays (I'm not saying he was perfect, but he was reliable), same with DJK. I can't say the same for KD. This will be his fourth year and I can only think of a couple noteworthy plays he has made. It doesn't make sense to me to assume he will start being a player he hasn't been in the past with the only reasoning being "because he will be". Nothing in the past prevented him from being more productive, and now that he's going to have MORE defensive attention being paid to him he's going to do BETTER?

We don't know much about the other receivers or how Davis is tailoring the offense to fit the pieces. I'm leaving the possibility open that he truly is much more productive because he hasn't lost those measurables and a new system might do him some good. He's also had a whole off season with the coaches treating him as the #1 and JVB will probably be better too.

This post is too long, I lost focus, my response has nothing to do with draft stock. I'm done...
 
DTF said:
Ahh! Too many replies...can't...quote...(not easily at least)

I'd like to preface this by saying I don't think Keenan is a bad player, I'm just looking at the pattern in front of me. I'll be rooting for him whenever he gets the ball and will HAPPILY eat crow if you guys are right and I'm even the slightest bit wrong. (I'll post my address so you can mail me the crows)

McNutt passed the eye test the entire time he was here, consistently made big plays (I'm not saying he was perfect, but he was reliable), same with DJK. I can't say the same for KD. This will be his fourth year and I can only think of a couple noteworthy plays he has made. It doesn't make sense to me to assume he will start being a player he hasn't been in the past with the only reasoning being "because he will be". Nothing in the past prevented him from being more productive, and now that he's going to have MORE defensive attention being paid to him he's going to do BETTER?

We don't know much about the other receivers or how Davis is tailoring the offense to fit the pieces. I'm leaving the possibility open that he truly is much more productive because he hasn't lost those measurables and a new system might do him some good. He's also had a whole off season with the coaches treating him as the #1 and JVB will probably be better too.

This post is too long, I lost focus, my response has nothing to do with draft stock. I'm done...
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Of course something in the past prevented him from being more productive. Are you serious?

He had to share the field with McNutt and DJK the two most productive receivers in Iowa history in an offense that rarely featured more than two receivers and moved at a ridiculously slow pace.

As others pointed out his junior season was statistically about the same as McNutts junior season and thats with Vandenburg basically locking onto McNutt on probably %60 of the pass plays last year.

Ill give you that he definitely needs to eliminate the drops but if he can do that he can be a very solid #1.

If I had to place money on whether or not he gets drafted my bet would be yes.
 
Herkuleez said:
Just missed:
OG Matt Tobin (6-6, 290)
DT Steve Bigach (6-3, 285)
OLB Christian Kirksey (6-2, 220)*
MLB James Morris (6-2, 230)*
FS Tanner Miller (6-2, 200)*


Tobin? ....seriously????

Sorry, but just because he's the other returning OL starter doesn't make him an NFL prospect.
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Just being a returning starter OL at Iowa means you are going to have a chance at getting drafted in the late rounds. Not a surprise to see Tobin mentioned as just missing draft and being a free agent. If he doesn't get hurt, that's probably what will happen.
 
RocknRollface said:
Of course something in the past prevented him from being more productive. Are you serious?

He had to share the field with McNutt and DJK the two most productive receivers in Iowa history in an offense that rarely featured more than two receivers and moved at a ridiculously slow pace.

As others pointed out his junior season was statistically about the same as McNutts junior season and thats with Vandenburg basically locking onto McNutt on probably %60 of the pass plays last year.

Ill give you that he definitely needs to eliminate the drops but if he can do that he can be a very solid #1.

If I had to place money on whether or not he gets drafted my bet would be yes.
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- The thing that stands out about Davis is that he has had almost no big plays (i can't think of one). McNutt and the DJK had a few while FR/SO/Jrs - Davis had none that i can recall.

But - Why is CJF mentioned in the pro draft prospects anyways? he's a JR - is that NFL tampering (or whatever the term is for that)?
 
bphawkeye said:
- The thing that stands out about Davis is that he has had almost no big plays (i can't think of one). McNutt and the DJK had a few while FR/SO/Jrs - Davis had none that i can recall.

But - Why is CJF mentioned in the pro draft prospects anyways? he's a JR - is that NFL tampering (or whatever the term is for that)?
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- I would say this was a pretty big play. Not to mention the catch Davis had down the sideline in the 3rd quarter of the same game.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTC_oFRtbHM[/ame]

- Because he can go pro after this season, and has a combination of size, strength, and speed that is rarely seen in a TE prospect.
 
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RocknRollface said:
Of course something in the past prevented him from being more productive. Are you serious?

He had to share the field with McNutt and DJK the two most productive receivers in Iowa history in an offense that rarely featured more than two receivers and moved at a ridiculously slow pace.

As others pointed out his junior season was statistically about the same as McNutts junior season and thats with Vandenburg basically locking onto McNutt on probably %60 of the pass plays last year.

Ill give you that he definitely needs to eliminate the drops but if he can do that he can be a very solid #1.

If I had to place money on whether or not he gets drafted my bet would be yes.
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herkyattack said:
- I would say this was a pretty big play. Not to mention the catch Davis had down the sideline in the 3rd quarter of the same game.

James Vandenberg to Keenan Davis Touchdown. Iowa Hawkeyes - YouTube

- Because he can go pro after this season, and has a combination of size, strength, and speed that is rarely seen in a TE prospect.
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i get that CJF is eligible, but i thought this discussion was not looked on favorably by the NFL, and those that write about it. As far as Davis goes - good luck to him this year - i hope he scores 25 TDs - i just don't see the big break away play in him. the vid was a nice catch but it was more on the QB (martin M also had some nice catches, but nothing i'd call break away special).

had to edit - looks like the nfl is recruiting college athletes with nfl talk of draft status - i thought this was verboten.
 
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