FryIowa, is that all the times, 6, that KF has finished ranked in the top 25? REally. I mean he had 3 top 10 finishes in a row '02-04.
20 Year Comparison - Hayden and Kirk
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FryIowa, is that all the times, 6, that KF has finished ranked in the top 25? REally. I mean he had 3 top 10 finishes in a row '02-04.
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DDThompson
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Kirk’s softer non-conference is balanced by a much tougher Big10.
It was called the Big2–Little8 for a reason.
It was called the Big2–Little8 for a reason.
Motigerhawk
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They both run/ran pretty clean programs.
Beyond that, there is no comparison.
Beyond that, there is no comparison.
Motigerhawk
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Not after Hayden entered the picture. Hayden showed the rest of the B1G that you could compete with the Big 2.
Hayden pulled the rest of the conference along with him.
hawkdrummer1
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Ok, but how does that play into the winning % numbers... you lost me. standard deviation from what?
That doesn't happen automatically. NW and Wisconsin were still garbage fires for years. ISU was a garbage fire until the end of his tenure.
trj
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That doesn't mean KF deserves an automatic pass. Opponents inferior to Iowa or equal to Iowa Hayden usually handled. That has to mean something.
Fryowa
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@ChosenChildren said Ferentz was more consistent than Hayden Fry. Standard deviation is a measure of consistency in a particular population or sample size (in this case from year to year). Basically he thinks KF has been more consistent from one season to the next but the actual stats show it’s not the case at all. Unsubstantiated bias at its finest.
Just like how he thought Ferentz has had a stronger SOS. It’s just bullshit he pulled out of thin air.
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Fryowa
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Yep, it is. You can check it out right here:
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/iowa/index.html
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HawkGold
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HF....KF
More filling...tastes great
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...BMAF6BAgEEAg&usg=AOvVaw1mhRZ7yOSVy_Vzpj7EQHsB
More filling...tastes great
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...BMAF6BAgEEAg&usg=AOvVaw1mhRZ7yOSVy_Vzpj7EQHsB
Northside Hawk
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They finished top 25 in some polls last season, just not AP.
GesterHawk
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This is a fun site. Thanks!
GesterHawk
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Yep it is true.
But HF finished with 5 or fewer wins 6 seasons. KF - only 3.
HF had 2 AP Top 10 finishes. KF has had 5.
4 of HF 8-4 teams finished in the AP Top 25. 3 of them in the top 20.
Compare that to KF who had 4 teams finish 8-5, none of which finished in the top 25, or last year's 9-4 who didn't finish in the AP Top 25.
What does all this mean.... just that there are always facts to pull that can support either position in this arguement.
Why can't we actually be happy that we have had two very impressive and well.respected coaches in the last 20 years?
ChosenChildren
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You are referring to the college football reference service. Yes you are correct, based on that service. But you better keep reading. They also rate all Iowa teams on SRS (relative strength). Iowa’s average SRS Has been higher under ferentz as compared to Fry. And Ferentz has more Top 10 finishes
Than Fry.
Fry was great, but Ferentz has been very good as well. Not much difference overall.
ChosenChildren
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My argument is based on the fact that Kirk has had only one losing regular season (4-8 in 2012) in his last 18 seasons. Fry’s losing seasons in his last 18:
89: 5-6
92: 5-7
98: 3-8
Sorry to burst your bubble
ChosenChildren
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I would say a coach making the college football Hall of Fame qualifies for any school’s Mount Rushmore. I believe, based on memory, that the following Iowa coaches are in the hall: Jones; Evy; Hayden. Ferentz will be.
Your contempt for Ferentz ruins your objectivity. It is just too obvious. Give the man his due.
ChosenChildren
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ChosenChildren
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This site uses a rating device (SRS) that compares all teams year to year. It factors in strength of schedule and winning margin to calculate the strength of a team. Fry’s average SRS was lower than Kirk’s current average. Interestingly enough, Evy’s Average SRS was much higher that hayden’s Or Kirk’s. You can argue that Evy was iowa’s Greatest football coach, based on that rating device
In prior discussions of KF and Hall of Fame, didn't someone bring up that overall win% had to be >60% to be eligible, and KF is unlikely to get there when factoring in his Maine tenure?
If we really think of Hall of Fame as a place for the true greats within a game, I am not sure KF belongs. His impressive career #s are due to longevity more so than true excellence (though he has flirted with excellence here and there). That said, I am glad he is our coach, and I am in full support. I think he has things heading in a very positive direction right now.
I was not a Hawk fan during the Fry era, but it does seem like overall he was more influential in positioning the program where it is today. I do think people underestimate just how hard it is to follow a legend and maintain a similar level of production.
If we really think of Hall of Fame as a place for the true greats within a game, I am not sure KF belongs. His impressive career #s are due to longevity more so than true excellence (though he has flirted with excellence here and there). That said, I am glad he is our coach, and I am in full support. I think he has things heading in a very positive direction right now.
I was not a Hawk fan during the Fry era, but it does seem like overall he was more influential in positioning the program where it is today. I do think people underestimate just how hard it is to follow a legend and maintain a similar level of production.
ChosenChildren
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There are actually 4 Iowa coaches in the Hall. I forgot Eddie Anderson. He spent most of his years shitting indoors.
Ferentz has had 7 teams finish in the AP top 25: 02, 03, 04, 08, 08, 15 and 18; not 6.
