2 disturbing quotes.

Any time a thread reaches the point where 50 year old men are telling stories about their high school glory days, it's all down hill from there. There's no coming back from that.
 


HawkeyeMike23 said:
Any time a thread reaches the point where 50 year old men are telling stories about their high school glory days, it's all down hill from there. There's no coming back from that.
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They always remember the nights they went off for 12 against their rivals from the next town over but they never remember the nights they could never quite get into the game.
 






DDThompson said:
My fault 83.
I forgot to turn on the sarcasm siren.

:)
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Iowa could of won but they have trouble with quick teams. They will probably have trouble with Illinois, Nebraska, and Indiana when the time comes. If they do lose three more games, they will still finish 10 and 8.
 


PCHawk said:
I haven't met a guy in his 50's yet that don't think they were better "back in the day" than they actually were. There is absolutely no chance you gave the exact 100% effort every single game. MAYBE guys like Jerry Rice and Walter Payton did, but it is extremely rare. Go through every single team in basketball and i bet you can find at least 5 games where the team didn't come out with full effort. It happens to every single team and every single player, except apparently you.
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Your attitude is exactly what's wrong with people today. Always an excuse. I can't always be up for a game boo hoo hoo. That's one of the problems with Iowa athletics today. To many weak kneed pu$$ies that just can't always be ready to play.

Also, I never said I was better "back in the day" as you put it. Don't put words in my mouth. I said I came out with full intensity at all times. I also said I didn't always win. In life I am still intense in all I do. Guess that's why I'm in sales and successful at it. I only know one speed. Losing a sale by the way is ok with me and the reason is simple. I know I gave a full effort and was ready from the get go. It's called being prepared.

It's quite obvious you didn't play sports in college or beyond.
 


PCHawk said:
When i said he called them out, i meant he was including himself in "them". You can tell the people here that never played a sport because they would understand it's simply not human nature to show up to every single game with the same intensity. It's obviously unfortunate that that's the case but you see it at every level, in every sport, every week.
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or I can tell people here that have played a sport so they know the timespan is short-lived of playing sports so why not be prepared and excited to play every game. The part we forget is we thought we were invincible and knew everything at that age. Worse. People no longer thar age can still think that way.
 


DDThompson said:
or I can tell people here that have played a sport so they know the timespan is short-lived of playing sports so why not be prepared and excited to play every game. The part we forget is we thought we were invincible and knew everything at that age. Worse. People no longer thar age can still think that way.
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Oh i understand that. Looking back it's hard to imagine not giving full effort every night. Kids that age though don't think about how short lived it is.
 


brhawks18 said:
Let's see, I played 4 sports in high school until my senior year when I went to 2 and the attended a small college and was able to play 2 sports there. After college I played baseball at a higher level for 2 years until a back injury forced me to retire from said sport. So I did play and then coached baseball for several years. Please don't tell us you can tell the people that never played a sport.

As for your comment about not always showing up with the same intensity, I always was up for the game I was in. And the reason I was is because I wanted to win every time I stepped on the field. At this level of college basketball, at this time of the season, with so much to play for and at this point in their careers, there is no reason to not be up for the game. It doesn't mean you'll win the game. But at least your effort will be 100%.

I'm in my mid 50's now. Don't play anything sports wise except golf. But I'll say this. We have a group of 4 parents who, during the winter months, get together for a game of domino's every other weekend. Sad to say, but I'm as competitive with that as I was when playing. I hate to lose. The only way to lose the least amount of time is to play with full intensity all the time.
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So, according to what you're saying.... you had the exact same outcome each game you played. For example, each game you played basketball you got the same number of points, rebounds, assists, turnovers, fouls, blocks, etc. Oh, wait... you didn't?

Even within a game, things happen. Today they call it "the game slows down" for the player; when I played, you were "hot" or "on a roll". It's also been called "in the zone". It happens. You are physically no different, but the mental part actually aligns perfectly with the physical part and you get in the zone. We didn't have that last night.

And remember this: You're playing and you think everything is going fine. Then one thing goes wrong. And then another. And another. You try to fight back, but the harder you fight, the deeper you sink. Until you can't move... you can't breathe... because you're in over your head. Like quicksand.

Last night we were in quicksand.
 


DDThompson said:
or I can tell people here that have played a sport so they know the timespan is short-lived of playing sports so why not be prepared and excited to play every game. The part we forget is we thought we were invincible and knew everything at that age. Worse. People no longer thar age can still think that way.
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You are 100% correct. I payed the price with a career ending injury. But I can look back and say I gave it my all every time I put my cleats and jock strap on. I have no regrets.
 


brhawks18 said:
Your attitude is exactly what's wrong with people today. Always an excuse. I can't always be up for a game boo hoo hoo. That's one of the problems with Iowa athletics today. To many weak kneed pu$$ies that just can't always be ready to play.

Also, I never said I was better "back in the day" as you put it. Don't put words in my mouth. I said I came out with full intensity at all times. I also said I didn't always win. In life I am still intense in all I do. Guess that's why I'm in sales and successful at it. I only know one speed. Losing a sale by the way is ok with me and the reason is simple. I know I gave a full effort and was ready from the get go. It's called being prepared.

It's quite obvious you didn't play sports in college or beyond.
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Easy now...We can't all be high end domino's players. And not every kid is the same. I coached and the approach for 1 kid is totally different than another. And because 1 player isn't as intense as another doesn't make the less intense player a "pu$$y" as you so eloquently stated.
 




It is easy to say that since someone had an "off" game that they weren't intense. Of course body language, and everything else is going to look differently when you are playing a good/great game. Sometimes you just don't play well, it happens, and it doesn't mean you weren't "intense" or you were "lacking effort"....sometimes is just isn't your night.
 


brhawks18 said:
Your attitude is exactly what's wrong with people today. Always an excuse. I can't always be up for a game boo hoo hoo. That's one of the problems with Iowa athletics today. To many weak kneed pu$$ies that just can't always be ready to play.

Also, I never said I was better "back in the day" as you put it. Don't put words in my mouth. I said I came out with full intensity at all times. I also said I didn't always win. In life I am still intense in all I do. Guess that's why I'm in sales and successful at it. I only know one speed. Losing a sale by the way is ok with me and the reason is simple. I know I gave a full effort and was ready from the get go. It's called being prepared.

It's quite obvious you didn't play sports in college or beyond.
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I never gave any excuses for not giving full effort. I simply stated that it's not exclusive to iowa. Every single team does it from time to time. Judging be the way every player had trouble catching a simple pass, i would say it was just one of those nights.
 


Knight78 said:
So, according to what you're saying.... you had the exact same outcome each game you played. For example, each game you played basketball you got the same number of points, rebounds, assists, turnovers, fouls, blocks, etc. Oh, wait... you didn't?

Even within a game, things happen. Today they call it "the game slows down" for the player; when I played, you were "hot" or "on a roll". It's also been called "in the zone". It happens. You are physically no different, but the mental part actually aligns perfectly with the physical part and you get in the zone. We didn't have that last night.

And remember this: You're playing and you think everything is going fine. Then one thing goes wrong. And then another. And another. You try to fight back, but the harder you fight, the deeper you sink. Until you can't move... you can't breathe... because you're in over your head. Like quicksand.

Last night we were in quicksand.
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I said just the opposite. I said I didn't always win. But you come out playing hard every game and be ready. The results are never the same. But when a player says I knew in warm ups we weren't going to win that's a huge red flag. How can any of you see this as anything other then a huge problem for this team or for an athlete period.
 


deanvogs said:
It is easy to say that since someone had an "off" game that they weren't intense. Of course body language, and everything else is going to look differently when you are playing a good/great game. Sometimes you just don't play well, it happens, and it doesn't mean you weren't "intense" or you were "lacking effort"....sometimes is just isn't your night.
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Funny that's what i was just saying. When you're having a bad night where you can't even catch a pass or dribble, what can you do? I would say the defensive effort was pretty good.
 


brhawks18 said:
I said just the opposite. I said I didn't always win. But you come out playing hard every game and be ready. The results are never the same. But when a player says I knew in warm ups we weren't going to win that's a huge red flag. How can any of you see this as anything other then a huge problem for this team or for an athlete period.
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Why didn't you always win though? Were you not as intense in practice preparing for the game? Were you not as intense in your summer workouts as your opponents were? Sounds like just focusing on game days may have been your problem.
 


PCHawk said:
I never gave any excuses for not giving full effort. I simply stated that it's not exclusive to iowa. Every single team does it from time to time. Judging be the way every player had trouble catching a simple pass, i would say it was just one of those nights.
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Of course it's not exclusive to Iowa. I am a life long Iowa fan though and that's who I care about. When a player says he knew during warm ups they were going to lose, that's one ginormous problem and it's not something you can teach or fix in 7 games.

Here's the real problem as I see it. You are correct it happens to every team. But at Iowa, especially in football and basketball, it seems to happen on a consistent basis. Most big time teams have a game here and there in a season where the intensity level seems low. At Iowa it's a recurring theme yearly and on an every other week basis.
 


I watched the women's team play Nebby after the men's game. Down the stretch the women's team knew what they were doing and went after it. They attacked and every player knew where to be and what to do and the result was an 8 point win. Contrast that to the men's team where they looked lost, nobody wanted to take a shot and ended with Gesell driving the lane twice with disastrous results. When was the last time we saw someone ask for the ball n a clutch situation? It seems like our players are more afraid of failing than they are of being the hero. At least this season has cleared up the question of why did Devyn Marble take all the shots last year.
 


It's not like people intentionally decide not to give full effort. It just kinda happens and it's something you can look back on and realize you didn't after the fact. People who think they gave their best effort every second of every game lack the ability to self analyze.
 


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