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[meaning]

This may not be the right place for this ... But how many hawk fans have accounts and post on ISU boards?

How many follow cyclone handles on twitter?

I ask because a lot of hawkeyenation tweets, and obviously this board, seem to be overrun with Clone comments.

It's just weird that some of them care so much about the Hawkeyes (I have some clone friends, but theu wouldn't show up on this board, follow zero Hawkeye twitter accounts, etc).

I wish the clones luck in the tournament, and am glad to see we both have a chance to get there (Iowa's chances are slimmer right now obviously).

 

[ssckelley]

This may not be the right place for this ... But how many hawk fans have accounts and post on ISU boards?

How many follow cyclone handles on twitter?

I ask because a lot of hawkeyenation tweets, and obviously this board, seem to be overrun with Clone comments.

It's just weird that some of them care so much about the Hawkeyes (I have some clone friends, but theu wouldn't show up on this board, follow zero Hawkeye twitter accounts, etc).

I wish the clones luck in the tournament, and am glad to see we both have a chance to get there (Iowa's chances are slimmer right now obviously).

You will never see me over there, I have better things to do with my time. I honestly do not care what clown fans think of our tournament chances.

 

[ILHawk]

Why? You saying you did not make that bet? It would take me hours to find it, not worth my time. Had you won the bet I would have taken the week off and not made you come up with proof.

Because my recollection is that you said something like 9-9 gets in and nothing else and I think I said 10-8 or beating IU or beating MN, IL and winning 2 or 3 in B1G. I might have included 10 wins, but I honestly don't remember. I'll even take the week off just to be nice. Still I'd like to find it. Wish I had kept it. Not said I wouldn't take the week off either. Just would like to find it. I'll look again.


We all spend too much time on here anyway.

 

[ssckelley]

So did Temple steal an at large or were they already in before upsetting VCU?

A 15-20 Liberty punched their ticket a team that knocked Gardner Webb out of their conference tournament.

 

[ILHawk]

You will never see me over there, I have better things to do with my time. I honestly do not care what clown fans think of our tournament chances.

Hey we agree!

 

[Campbell]

Good thing you left off that 1/3 of their wins came against teams who won combined 28 or more conference games depending on today's results. Finished ahead of 2 of those teams. But hey don't let facts get in your way.

If that's all you got from my post then I don't know what to tell you. I wasn't talking about their quality wins over tournament-type teams (Iowa State, Wisconsin, maybe Minnesota, maybe Illinois). My post was solely about Iowa's lack of quality wins outside of those, which is why they aren't likely to get in. And those my friend, are the facts.

The point of the post was to point out that they do have a decent win total and deserve to be on the bubble for that reason, but too many of those wins were against teams that either won't sniff the tournament or bubble teams that are borderline tournament-quality.

I stand by the statement that Iowa will need to win the Big 10 tournament to get in.

 

[hawkfan33]

If that's all you got from my post then I don't know what to tell you. I wasn't talking about their quality wins over tournament-type teams (Iowa State, Wisconsin, maybe Minnesota, maybe Illinois). My post was solely about Iowa's lack of quality wins outside of those, which is why they aren't likely to get in. And those my friend, are the facts.

The point of the post was to point out that they do have a decent win total and deserve to be on the bubble for that reason, but too many of those wins were against teams that either won't sniff the tournament or bubble teams that are borderline tournament-quality.

I stand by the statement that Iowa will need to win the Big 10 tournament to get in.

The main reason they are missing the tournament in their low RPI due to the non-conf schedule. We have just as many, or more quality wins, than most of the other bubble teams.

 

[metahawk]

OU has 6 wins over tournament teams. they have 1 bad loss. RPI at 32, SOS of 18. RPI won't move really at all even if they lose to ISU in first round of Big XII Tournament. They're a tournament team. pretty much all pundits not named doug gottlieb, OSU grad, agree.

If you can't see that, then that's a you problem.

Easy dude. Just breathe. You alright. Just calm down...

 

[tanabs]

Easy dude. Just breathe. You alright. Just calm down...

LOL. that guy was awesome. the best part is how concerned his wife looks. "oh gee, looks like art is gonna make a scene again."

 

[franstheman]

which of those is a marquee win? maybe wisconsin? but that's using the word "marquee" rather loosely. none of those teams were ranked when Iowa played them. I'd say some of those wins look a bit better as the year went on (ISU, wisky), but none of them jump off the page and make someone say "oh this is an impressive win right here".

and you can't have it both ways. you want to count minnesota and Illinois as resume builders by saying they're quality high RPI wins, but at the same time you want to say that they aren't really all that great and that they themselves don't have very good resumes and that Iowa should be in the tournament instead of them. which is it?

another thing you need to keep in mind. NCAA tournament selection isn't necessarily about fairness. it's about who the committee sees as "qualifying" and having a good chance at making a run. that gives teams that have shown they can knock off high seeds a leg up (IL and MN both beat #1). Iowa's low scoring boring brand of ball also won't do it any favors come selection time if they are in fact in contention at that point.

LOL

 

[franstheman]

70.7 ppg ranked 97th.

Of course we're not scoring as much as we used to because this year we play good defense so there are less posessions. Playing a blend of up-tempo and halfcourt like we have started doing this year is how you win B1G and national championships in today's college basketball.

 

[BryceC]

Played in a weaker conference and lost head to head.... Iowa State is NOT a lock at this point. Where is anyone getting this idea?

The big 12 is down this year, especially compared to the big 10. However Iowa State played 8 top 100 teams, iowa played 10 in conference. It's not like we're talking about the pac12 here.

 

[H8IAST8]

OU has 6 wins over tournament teams. they have 1 bad loss. RPI at 32, SOS of 18. RPI won't move really at all even if they lose to ISU in first round of Big XII Tournament. They're a tournament team. pretty much all pundits not named doug gottlieb, OSU grad, agree.

If you can't see that, then that's a you problem.

All the pundits havent updated their bracket after rpi 228 TCU ***** slapped OU

 

[tanabs]

All the pundits havent updated their bracket after rpi 228 TCU ***** slapped OU

one bad loss to TCU. decent teams have a bad game from time to time. don't forget Michigan lost to PSU, who's every bit as bad as TCU.

OU is in. they have too good an RPI and SOS to be left out.

 

[KingClone]

Based on what I can deduce from ESPN; here is the current State of the Bubble:
21 Bids to conferences which will likely only get one bid
+47 Bids (including 10 auto and 37 at-large) to conferences which will likely get more than one bid

Conference (locked/probable/contending) Teams
Big East (6/2/1) - Syr, G-town, Marq, Pitt, ND, L-ville, Nova, Cinci, Providence
Big Ten (5/2/1) - MSU, Indiana, Wisc, Mich, OSU, Illinois, Minn, Iowa
ACC (4/0/2) - Miami, Duke, UNC, NC State, Virginia, Maryland
Big 12 (3/2/1) - Kansas, KSU, OSU, OU, ISU, Baylor
Pac 12 (2/3/0) - AZ, UCLA, Ore, Colo, Cal
SEC (1/1/5) - Fla, Mizzou, Kent, Ala, Ole Miss, Ark, Tenn
A10 (3/1/3) - Butler, VCU, St Louis, Temple, La Salle, Xavier
Mtn West (4/0/1) - New Mexico, Col St, SD St, UNLV, Boise St
Mo Valley (2/0/0) - Wichita, Creighton
West Coast (2/0/0) - Gonzaga, St Marys

Also, there are two conferences where an upset in the Conference tournament could result two bids in a "one-bid" conference:
Con USA - Memphis
Sun Belt - Middle Tennessee

So there are:
32 “Locksâ€￾
11 â€￾ Probableâ€￾ (Ranked): 1. Cinci 2. Illinois 3. Mizzou 4. Oregon 5. Cal 6. Minnesota 7. Oklahoma 8. Iowa State 9. Colorado 10. Nova 11. Temple
13 Contending for 4 spots (Ranked): 1. Kentucky 2. Boise State 3. La Salle 4. Tennessee 5. Virginia 6. Baylor 7. Ole Miss 8. Alabama 9. Iowa 10. Maryland 11. Providence 12. Xavier 13. Arkansas

 

[busabus114]

Based on what I can deduce from ESPN; here is the current State of the Bubble: 21 Bids to conferences which will likely only get one bid +47 Bids (including 10 auto and 37 at-large) to conferences which will likely get more than one bid Conference (locked/probable/contending) Teams Big East (6/2/1) - Syr, G-town, Marq, Pitt, ND, L-ville, Nova, Cinci, Providence Big Ten (5/2/1) - MSU, Indiana, Wisc, Mich, OSU, Illinois, Minn, Iowa ACC (4/0/2) - Miami, Duke, UNC, NC State, Virginia, Maryland Big 12 (3/2/1) - Kansas, KSU, OSU, OU, ISU, Baylor Pac 12 (2/3/0) - AZ, UCLA, Ore, Colo, Cal SEC (1/1/5) - Fla, Mizzou, Kent, Ala, Ole Miss, Ark, Tenn A10 (3/1/3) - Butler, VCU, St Louis, Temple, La Salle, Xavier Mtn West (4/0/1) - New Mexico, Col St, SD St, UNLV, Boise St Mo Valley (2/0/0) - Wichita, Creighton West Coast (2/0/0) - Gonzaga, St Marys Also, there are two conferences where an upset in the Conference tournament could result two bids in a "one-bid" conference: Con USA - Memphis Sun Belt - Middle Tennessee So there are: 32 “Locks” 11 ” Probable” (Ranked): 1. Cinci 2. Illinois 3. Mizzou 4. Oregon 5. Cal 6. Minnesota 7. Oklahoma 8. Iowa State 9. Colorado 10. Nova 11. Temple 13 Contending for 4 spots (Ranked): 1. Kentucky 2. Boise State 3. La Salle 4. Tennessee 5. Virginia 6. Baylor 7. Ole Miss 8. Alabama 9. Iowa 10. Maryland 11. Providence 12. Xavier 13. Arkansas

LOL...easy to read

 

[ILHawk]

See my post above - they have a better non conf but it isnt that much better as the numbers show. I think ISU should be in but blasting Iowa's non conf is weird considering yours isnt that great, Also, there is a reason Iowa's was weak....freshman needed experience. Fran has said that multiple times. Iowa had several chances to overcome that sched with Conf wins but couldnt seal the deal. ISU won some of those big conf games and that is about the only difference between the 2 teams and their resumes

I hate ISU and B12. However, watch cheap comments as they may get a chance to prove themselves. They have a lot of Final 4 experience at the coaching level.

 

[tiberius]

Of course we're not scoring as much as we used to because this year we play good defense so there are less posessions. Playing a blend of up-tempo and halfcourt like we have started doing this year is how you win B1G and national championships in today's college basketball.

I would agree. It has just been a little tough watching the last 5-6 games against Neb, Purdue, etal, with both teams not being able to score very often. Looked a lot like UNI, but that is not a bad thing.

 

[greghammel]

Iowa State fan says "We are better than you because you didn't beat anyone worth of **** out of conference" Iowa fan... "we beat Iowa State"

Really strange they forget that game. Also really odd that they don't admit to how much better the Big Ten is this year than the Big 12. Iowa's SOS and Iowa State's SOS is not far apart, and the main reason Iowa's is lower is because of 3 games against teams 300+. Who knew those teams would be that bad. You can only take care of teams on your schedule.

When your schedule includes 12 games against teams most likely heading to the NCAA tournament.. the schedule wasn't that weak. In all seriousness... who was the best team Iowa State beat in the non-conference season? Florida Gulf Coast? BYU? Drake?

 

[clicheusername3]

Iowa State fan says "We are better than you because you didn't beat anyone worth of **** out of conference" Iowa fan... "we beat Iowa State"

Really strange they forget that game. Also really odd that they don't admit to how much better the Big Ten is this year than the Big 12. Iowa's SOS and Iowa State's SOS is not far apart, and the main reason Iowa's is lower is because of 3 games against teams 300+. Who knew those teams would be that bad. You can only take care of teams on your schedule.

When your schedule includes 12 games against teams most likely heading to the NCAA tournament.. the schedule wasn't that weak. In all seriousness... who was the best team Iowa State beat in the non-conference season? Florida Gulf Coast? BYU? Drake?

The OOC SOS for ISU is over 150 spots better. I get what you're saying but that's a big number. SOS doesn't compute who you beat, it's just how hard your schedule is.