1.4 million to Jane (I assume Tracey will now get a check instead of a trial)

Wow, I am stunned that the jury ruled in favor of Meyer. From everything I have read and the testimony given I didn't think she stood a chance. I am all for equal rights but for Meyer to publicly berate her boss in front of everybody and be insubordinate and then turn around and win a lawsuit over prejudice blows my mind.

But I agree with what many have said in this thread, Barta should be fired for this. If he would have followed due process and terminated her the right way then none of this would have happened.
 
ssckelley said:
Wow, I am stunned that the jury ruled in favor of Meyer. From everything I have read and the testimony given I didn't think she stood a chance. I am all for equal rights but for Meyer to publicly berate her boss in front of everybody and be insubordinate and then turn around and win a lawsuit over prejudice blows my mind.

But I agree with what many have said in this thread, Barta should be fired for this. If he would have followed due process and terminated her the right way then none of this would have happened.
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I actually predicted that we would lose this case no matter what evidence we presented. There was 1 factor that I couldn't nor could any jury get past. The zero negative job reviews. If any insubordination had ever occurred there should have been verbiage in the job reviews to establish the foundation of corrective action and goals established to improve in the area. This is management/HR 101. I don't know anything about the particulars of Jane's employment and I am inclined as much as anyone hawk fan to believe my university and AD, but the simple fact is if the job reviews were satisfactory or above satisfactory it could easily appear that all circumstantial evidence provided after the fact could be made up or coerced. This was the epetimy of the proverbial fork in the road. We were asking the jury to choose what path they were going to take. One of belief of Barta's story or one of belief in Jane's story that was actually corroborated by job performance reviews. Just seemed like a loser all along to me.
 
OkstHawk said:
1.4 million reasons you're wrong.
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Three reasons I'm right: The three female employees who work under Barta who said he's fair and decent with women and have never seen or heard him do anything prejudicial towards any protected group.

Your evidence: Well, Meyer won the case so Barta must be a good ole boy.

You have scoreboard-the jury saw it the way you hoped. That doesn't mean it's true Barta is a "good ole boy."

Now you can go forth and hero-worship Jane Meyer. Knock yourself out.
 
SteveGarvey1 said:
Three reasons I'm right: The three female employees who work under Barta who said he's fair and decent with women and have never seen or heard him do anything prejudicial towards any protected group.

Your evidence: Well, Meyer won the case so Barta must be a good ole boy.

You have scoreboard-the jury saw it the way you hoped. That doesn't mean it's true Barta is a "good ole boy."

Now you can go forth and hero-worship Jane Meyer. Knock yourself out.
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1.4 million > 3
8 > 3

Simple math says you lose but so does a preponderance of the evidence according to a court of law which is all that matters. Why can't we talk about Faith being the number 1 pick in the CFL? Deserves way more discussion and congrats than wasting our time on this.
 
SteveGarvey1 said:
Three reasons I'm right: The three female employees who work under Barta who said he's fair and decent with women and have never seen or heard him do anything prejudicial towards any protected group.

Your evidence: Well, Meyer won the case so Barta must be a good ole boy.

You have scoreboard-the jury saw it the way you hoped. That doesn't mean it's true Barta is a "good ole boy."

Now you can go forth and hero-worship Jane Meyer. Knock yourself out.
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No doubt the evidence told a different story than the verdict. I couldn't agree more.

BUT... had Barta documented all the problems and complaints that were just anecdotal in testimony... it might have turned out different. I think that's why many are saying he f***ed up. And looking at basic HR procedure...they have a point. You document EVERYTHING...especially when it's apparent you have a difficult employee.
 
OkstHawk said:
1.4 million > 3
8 > 3

Simple math says you lose but so does a preponderance of the evidence according to a court of law which is all that matters. Why can't we talk about Faith being the number 1 pick in the CFL? Deserves way more discussion and congrats than wasting our time on this.
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3 women who worked with Barta > your opinion.

And of course we know juries never get verdicts wrong, or base their decisions on emotion, demographics or biases.

See Simpson, Orenthal James.
 
hawkdrummer1 said:
No doubt the evidence told a different story than the verdict. I couldn't agree more.

BUT... had Barta documented all the problems and complaints that were just anecdotal in testimony... it might have turned out different. I think that's why many are saying he f***ed up. And looking at basic HR procedure...they have a point. You document EVERYTHING...especially when it's apparent you have a difficult employee.
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I agree, he didn't document like he should have.

But I can't help but feel he's a fall guy for all this. He has a really insubordinate employee who's lighting fires all over the office and he felt he had to do something. You know he didn't just make the decision to let her go on his own. He must have talked with HR, the school president and probably attorneys were involved and they all probably gave him to go-ahead. Barta's not without blame but to some extent he's being scapegoated.
 
Patrick McCaffery‏ @patrickmccaff22 9h9 hours ago
this was just sent to me, it is part of a letter from Jane Meyer to Gary Barta... I didn't realize cancer was a popularity contest

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hawkdrummer1 said:
No doubt the evidence told a different story than the verdict. I couldn't agree more.

BUT... had Barta documented all the problems and complaints that were just anecdotal in testimony... it might have turned out different. I think that's why many are saying he f***ed up. And looking at basic HR procedure...they have a point. You document EVERYTHING...especially when it's apparent you have a difficult employee.
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maybe but that is an unknown because the juror herself said she thought all the complaints about Meyer from the coaches were petty. So saying that the verdict would have changed if they were documented is huge assumption. They could have still thought they were petty. It seems the defense failed big time to get the jury to understand the importance of the things the coaches were talking about. In addition, the failed to make clear that she was an at will employee and could have been fired simply because Barta decided he didn't want to work with her and that doesn't mean it was discrimination. I think the Plaintiff's attorney's probably won jury selection and they won in their framing of the case. The verdict was already decided before the defense's case and they didn't have much of a chance from the way the juror talks.
 
The defense should have called all the reporters who had bad experiences with her. Doctherman and Morehouse relayed theirs when she was fired and talked about how no one liked her or wanted to work with her and how difficult she was.
 
David79 said:
The defense should have called all the reporters who had bad experiences with her. Doctherman and Morehouse relayed theirs when she was fired and talked about how no one liked her or wanted to work with her and how difficult she was.
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That might have mattered if they were female reporters. It is clear that society currently sees a Male complaint about a Female counterpart as "whining" or "petty" and therefore not of any value. Of all the woman coaches fired over the last decade noone wants to acknowledge that the only one that was even remotely a good coach was Blevins. The rest were all fired for sheer incompetence. All one needs to do is look at Win/loss records. They were all miraculously replaced with female coaches. Appeantly you must make a perfect hire the first time when hiring a female coach. You will never be able to fire them for poor performance without being painted as unfair or sexist.
 
Adam said:
That might have mattered if they were female reporters. It is clear that society currently sees a Male complaint about a Female counterpart as "whining" or "petty" and therefore not of any value. Of all the woman coaches fired over the last decade noone wants to acknowledge that the only one that was even remotely a good coach was Blevins. The rest were all fired for sheer incompetence. All one needs to do is look at Win/loss records. They were all miraculously replaced with female coaches. Appeantly you must make a perfect hire the first time when hiring a female coach. You will never be able to fire them for poor performance without being painted as unfair or sexist.
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I am pretty sure Blevins retired.

Griesbaum was a good coach, and her dismissal seems suspect. All of the other coaches that were let go were stinking up the joint, although you could make an argument that they were not given the resources necessary to be successful (as an example, an awful lot of VB coaches failed in a row). To counter that argument, Bond Shymansky has been able to come in and actually get things moving in the right direction, posting Iowa's first winning VB record since 2000 in his 3rd season. Joey Woody has done likewise for T&F, and Heller took a traditionally struggling baseball program and got it on track.
 
CP87 said:
I am pretty sure Blevins retired.

Griesbaum was a good coach, and her dismissal seems suspect. All of the other coaches that were let go were stinking up the joint, although you could make an argument that they were not given the resources necessary to be successful (as an example, an awful lot of VB coaches failed in a row). To counter that argument, Bond Shymansky has been able to come in and actually get things moving in the right direction, posting Iowa's first winning VB record since 2000 in his 3rd season. Joey Woody has done likewise for T&F, and Heller took a traditionally struggling baseball program and got it on track.
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Griesbaum was not a good coach. Beglin was a good coach. If Griesbaum had those records on the football gridiron noone on here would want her to stay as coach.
 
Adam said:
Griesbaum was not a good coach. Beglin was a good coach. If Griesbaum had those records on the football gridiron noone on here would want her to stay as coach.
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It looks like the records support your point:
Beth Beglin

1988 19–6 .760 6–2 .750 2nd – NCAA Runner-Up

1989 19–2–2 .870 9–0–1 .950 1st – NCAA Final Four

1990 20–4 .833 9–1 .900 1st – NCAA Final Four

1991 17–2–1 .875 10–0 1.000 1st – NCAA 2nd Round

1992 20–1 .952 10–0 1.000 1st – NCAA Runner-Up

1993 18–4 .818 8–2 .800 2nd – NCAA Final Four

1994 15–8 .652 6–4 .600 3rd 1st NCAA Final Four

1995 16–4 .800 10–0 1.000 1st 2nd NCAA 1st Round

1996 18–3 .857 10–0 1.000 1st 2nd NCAA 1st Round

1997 8–10 .444 4–6 .400 4th T5th –

1998 10–10 .500 4–6 .400 T4th T3rd –

1999 19–3 .864 9–1 .900 1st 2nd NCAA Final Four


Tracey Griesbaum

2000 12–8 .600 3–3 .500 T3rd T3rd –

2001 13–5 .722 3–3 .500 T4th 2nd –

2002 9–8 .529 2–4 .333 T4th T5th –

2003 11–8 .579 2–4 .333 5th T5th –

2004 13–8 .619 5–1 .833 T1st 2nd NCAA 1st Round

2005 10–8 .556 3–3 .500 T3rd T5th –

2006 12–9 .571 2–4 .333 5th 1st NCAA 1st Round

2007 17–4 .810 4–2 .667 3rd 1st NCAA 1st Round

2008 18–5 .783 4–2 .667 2nd 1st NCAA Final Four

2009 9–10 .474 3–3 .500 4th T3rd –

2010 3–14 .176 0–6 .000 7th T5th –

2011 11–5 .688 4–2 .667 T2nd T3rd NCAA 1st Round

2012 14–7 .667 4–2 .667 T2nd T3rd NCAA 1st Round

2013 13–8 .619 2–4 .333 5th 2nd –




I will phrase things differently: I have spoken to players of hers, whom I respect, who thought she was a good coach and did not deserve to be fired.
 
CP87 said:
It looks like the records support your point:
Beth Beglin

1988 19–6 .760 6–2 .750 2nd – NCAA Runner-Up

1989 19–2–2 .870 9–0–1 .950 1st – NCAA Final Four

1990 20–4 .833 9–1 .900 1st – NCAA Final Four

1991 17–2–1 .875 10–0 1.000 1st – NCAA 2nd Round

1992 20–1 .952 10–0 1.000 1st – NCAA Runner-Up

1993 18–4 .818 8–2 .800 2nd – NCAA Final Four

1994 15–8 .652 6–4 .600 3rd 1st NCAA Final Four

1995 16–4 .800 10–0 1.000 1st 2nd NCAA 1st Round

1996 18–3 .857 10–0 1.000 1st 2nd NCAA 1st Round

1997 8–10 .444 4–6 .400 4th T5th –

1998 10–10 .500 4–6 .400 T4th T3rd –

1999 19–3 .864 9–1 .900 1st 2nd NCAA Final Four


Tracey Griesbaum

2000 12–8 .600 3–3 .500 T3rd T3rd –

2001 13–5 .722 3–3 .500 T4th 2nd –

2002 9–8 .529 2–4 .333 T4th T5th –

2003 11–8 .579 2–4 .333 5th T5th –

2004 13–8 .619 5–1 .833 T1st 2nd NCAA 1st Round

2005 10–8 .556 3–3 .500 T3rd T5th –

2006 12–9 .571 2–4 .333 5th 1st NCAA 1st Round

2007 17–4 .810 4–2 .667 3rd 1st NCAA 1st Round

2008 18–5 .783 4–2 .667 2nd 1st NCAA Final Four

2009 9–10 .474 3–3 .500 4th T3rd –

2010 3–14 .176 0–6 .000 7th T5th –

2011 11–5 .688 4–2 .667 T2nd T3rd NCAA 1st Round

2012 14–7 .667 4–2 .667 T2nd T3rd NCAA 1st Round

2013 13–8 .619 2–4 .333 5th 2nd –




I will phrase things differently: I have spoken to players of hers, whom I respect, who thought she was a good coach and did not deserve to be fired.
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I get it man. I'm also not claiming she was garbage but her records point to average at best. The decision to fire her would have been validated even without the players complaints and lawsuits. I also understand that there is a faction of loyal ex players that will feel she was a good coach. I think the truth is usually somewhere in the middle. My larger point was that the current climate is so sensitive that even mediocre woman coaches can claim that being fired was something unrelated to average or poor performance. It is an existential problem and paving a dangerous foundation that may lead to coaches being immune to being fired for win loss performance regardless of gender.
 


Wow. The Cyclone dimension adds such an interesting twist to this story, as well as for how it will be spun in folk history.
 
Joshbrown said:
Tracey is probably gonna argue wrongful termination.
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She won't argue anything. Iowa will now have no choice but to settle. The Meyer case only sets the foundation for Tracy's case. With the proven environment of discrimination Iowa has less then 1 leg to stand on to litigate Tracy's case. If she had a shaky case before the Meyer verdict, she now has a slam dunk, home run, lottery pick, Lonzo Ball Big Balla brand shoes case. Iowa will regretfully have to settle for 2-3 times the amount of the Meyer judgment. I bet you we announce the hiring of a woman AD within 6 months as well.
 
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