For The Notre Dame Fans….

[trj]

Fleck is the one that's inexplicable to me. He's had some decent seasons but he's had a few turds too. Usually guys like him get booted after a while but I suppose Minnesota isn't a football school anymore. He runs a pretty clean ship by the looks of if and seems to be a high-character (if a little flamboyant) guy, so that probably has something to do with it too.

I'm not a fan of the guy but he seems a little bit like KF in that he strikes me as the type to play by all the rules. Like if something came up scandal-wise he wouldn't try to hide it or sweep stuff under the rug. He's one of those coaches who isn't a household name and just stays calmly under the radar.

PJ Fleck is a toolbag, but he is a very good football coach. The cornball shit that most coaches try to sell, actually works for him. I’m not sure what his next job should be after Minnesota, but I am comfortable saying it should not be UCLA.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

ND is just as overrated every year as Nebby. Well, not quite, but is pretty close. Screw them both.

 

[Seth53]

Somebody evidently said they would do that for UCLA to pay Foster to take a hike already. He wasn't making a boat load but still he was 3 games into yr 2 of a 5 yr deal. You see that happen and you just know that they'll never be another KF at one place for 27 plus yrs. We grew up with Paterno, Bowden, Beamer Fry. Programs were synonymous with their coaches for a long time.

What coaches have been where they are 10 plus yrs now? Whittingham at Utah I think is the closest to KF and Gundy at OK state I bet they are pushing 20 yrs. Beyond that I can think of Dabo and Stoops they've been at their schools awhile now. Franklin at PSU he's been there longer then I think I bet. Nobody else comes to mind past those guys for me anwyay

One has to admit the reason we don't kick coaches to the curb after 3 seasons is our expectations are tempered.

Sometimes (more often oftentimes) it's better not to be a blue blood where 10-3/9-4 is reason to be dismissed.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

You realize Chip Kelly decided to be like F it… I am good stepping down and being an OC somewhere else. Playing in front of 30,000 people in an off campus stadium…how appealing is that?

Yeah there's something clearly off about that place and those that run the show. Coaches don't just step down from a job like that to go be an OC anywhere. Not a guy like Chip at that point in his career I wouldn't think.

UCLA is still UCLA in southern CA. Now they are in the BIG. I'd say there'll be suiters for it better then Foster ever would be and maybe that's why they decided to just rip off the band aid. Cause I don't think Foster got the fairest of shakes but hey define fair in that line of work.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

One has to admit the reason we don't kick coaches to the curb after 3 seasons is our expectations are tempered.

Sometimes (more often oftentimes) it's better not to be a blue blood where 10-3/9-4 is reason to be dismissed.

100% expectations are the differences between jobs. USC and Minnesota can have a 9 win season and have totally different ways of looking at them. Too many 9 win seasons and Riley will be gone. Fleck can probably stay at MN for as long as he wants if he has a 9 win yr every 2 or 3 yrs.

 

[SwirlinLingerie]

You realize Chip Kelly decided to be like F it… I am good stepping down and being an OC somewhere else. Playing in front of 30,000 people in an off campus stadium…how appealing is that?

Yeah, Kelly didn't want to be a head coach anymore. He went to be an OC for Ohio State and won a national championship, and then after a year decided to be an OC for a 74 year old head coach in Las Vegas. Chip does his own thing.

My point is seeing Kelly flee and then watching Foster take a big dump in only 16 games might cause the school to do a little soul searching about how to go about things this time around and what they want in the football program.

It's not out of the realm of possibilities that a Kalen Deboer or a David Shaw might be interested. And there is just no way in hell the more typical bottom dwellers of the Big Ten would ever have a shot at a coach of that caliber.

 

[trj]

Yeah there's something clearly off about that place and those that run the show. Coaches don't just step down from a job like that to go be an OC anywhere. Not a guy like Chip at that point in his career I wouldn't think.

UCLA is still UCLA in southern CA. Now they are in the BIG. I'd say there'll be suiters for it better then Foster ever would be and maybe that's why they decided to just rip off the band aid. Cause I don't think Foster got the fairest of shakes but hey define fair in that line of work.

Fair

Really, how much better is it than Purdue? Matt Campbell turned down USC to stay in freaking Ames. I get your point…I just don’t think it quite has the sex appeal everyone is making it out to be.

 

[trj]

Yeah, Kelly didn't want to be a head coach anymore. He went to be an OC for Ohio State and won a national championship, and then after a year decided to be an OC for a 74 year old head coach in Las Vegas. Chip does his own thing.

My point is seeing Kelly flee and then watching Foster take a big dump in only 16 games might cause the school to do a little soul searching about how to go about things this time around and what they want in the football program.

It's not out of the realm of possibilities that a Kalen Deboer or a David Shaw might be interested. And there is just no way in hell the more typical bottom dwellers of the Big Ten would ever have a shot at a coach of that caliber.

If Kalen Deboer gets run out of Alabama in the next year or two…he automatically goes to the top of my list as being Kirk’s successor.

 

[SCHawkeye2]

It is absurd that ND is still ranked in the Top 25. Would any other 0-2 team be afforded this special consideration?

 

[Hawkfnntn]

Fair

Really, how much better is it than Purdue? Matt Campbell turned down USC to stay in freaking Ames. I get your point…I just don’t think it quite has the sex appeal everyone is making it out to be.

Yeah UCLA clearly doesn't have the sex appeal it should. Be it fan apathy or whatever it is they are missing. Maybe they don't have the $ and that's obviously a huge deal. I think we'll have a better idea about that whenever they hire a new coach with a more extensive search. They had to kinda settle on Foster how they did cause of the timing of when Kelly left them in a lurch. If they get the right coach I would think in a few yrs they could turn it around. But who knows some holes are tough to dig out of

 

[kicker22]

ND is just as overrated every year as Nebby. Well, not quite, but is pretty close. Screw them both.

You watch your mouth. Nebby won 3 NC's in the 90s. That was only 30 years ago and none of their players were alive at the time, but they'll be quick to remind you so be warned.

 

[Grady]

Fleck is the one that's inexplicable to me. He's had some decent seasons but he's had a few turds too. Usually guys like him get booted after a while but I suppose Minnesota isn't a football school anymore. He runs a pretty clean ship by the looks of if and seems to be a high-character (if a little flamboyant) guy, so that probably has something to do with it too.

I'm not a fan of the guy but he seems a little bit like KF in that he strikes me as the type to play by all the rules. Like if something came up scandal-wise he wouldn't try to hide it or sweep stuff under the rug. He's one of those coaches who isn't a household name and just stays calmly under the radar.

If by "high character" you mean instructing players to fake injuries when they run out of timeouts at the end of games.
Since 2019, MN's win total (not counting the Covid year) is 11, 9, 9, 6, 8. That's gonna keep most coaches in the BTen on the job, outside of OSU, Penn St., Oregon, and maybe USC.
Like KF, Fleck benefitted greatly from being in the West Division all those years. Also like Iowa, his record the next 5 years probably ain't gonna be as good as the previous 5.

 

[HawkPowerlifter]

If by "high character" you mean instructing players to fake injuries when they run out of timeouts at the end of games.
Since 2019, MN's win total (not counting the Covid year) is 11, 9, 9, 6, 8. That's gonna keep most coaches in the BTen on the job, outside of OSU, Penn St., Oregon, and maybe USC.
Like KF, Fleck benefitted greatly from being in the West Division all those years. Also like Iowa, his record the next 5 years probably ain't gonna be as good as the previous 5.

I mean he would ask his players if they were feeling "elite" daily. LOL.

 

[HuckFinn]

It is absurd that ND is still ranked in the Top 25. Would any other 0-2 team be afforded this special consideration?

Ha Ha ! Not surprised

 

[SwirlinLingerie]

Yeah UCLA clearly doesn't have the sex appeal it should. Be it fan apathy or whatever it is they are missing. Maybe they don't have the $ and that's obviously a huge deal. I think we'll have a better idea about that whenever they hire a new coach with a more extensive search. They had to kinda settle on Foster how they did cause of the timing of when Kelly left them in a lurch. If they get the right coach I would think in a few yrs they could turn it around. But who knows some holes are tough to dig out of

The AD f*cked up the Foster hire so badly that the administration is partially taking this hire out of his hands now and ensuring that a committee of professionals, past Bruins and the chancellor play a major role. Which only lends itself even more to high ceiling/low floor. If you had a savvy chancellor and one or two really influential big hitters who understand what it takes for UCLA to return to prominence and can make it happen, then some fairly accomplished candidates will be interested (yes, higher caliber than a Purdue could attract). But there is also a chance for a huge cluster with that committee. I don't know enough about the situation to say which way it is likely to go.

The other thing helping UCLA is that there simply aren't many major jobs left in the West. If you have ties there, and/or want to stay in the West (as an accomplished head coach or an up and comer), there just aren't that many other choices anymore.