I am done being pissed at BF/Petras. They are not the problem

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NorthKCHawk

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I screamed at the TV and cursed Petras and BF too many times to count Saturday, but after seeing KF's presser, they are not the problem.

Petras does not deserve to be booed or beat up on message boards. Does anyone doubt he is trying his best? He is a kid out there doing all he can, he just has not been given the right coaching, or he just doesn't have the goods. I think the latter, but who cares. Its not his fault he can't get the job done, and its not his fault he keeps accepting more chances from his HC. He is giving his all for Iowa. I am not going to boo his anymore. He just should not be on the field. Period.

Likewise with respect to BF, he either has his hands tied, or he sucks, or both. But again, whatever the problem with BF is, it all flows back to his Dad. Either Brian is a chef who can't choose his own ingredients, or he is just a bad OC. Either way, his Dad is the problem, not him, for putting him in a position to not just fail, but to do so in an embarrassing manner. Indeed, his Dad is hurting his future coaching prospects by allowing him to be so bad. I guess BF is a grown man and he could quit, but I am not going to fault him for trying his best too.

Stoops and Fran should be trolling KF. Hard truth.
 


NorthKCHawk said:
I screamed at the TV and cursed Petras and BF too many times to count Saturday, but after seeing KF's presser, they are not the problem.

Petras does not deserve to be booed or beat up on message boards. Does anyone doubt he is trying his best? He is a kid out there doing all he can, he just has not been given the right coaching, or he just doesn't have the goods. I think the latter, but who cares. Its not his fault he can't get the job done, and its not his fault he keeps accepting more chances from his HC. He is giving his all for Iowa. I am not going to boo his anymore. He just should not be on the field. Period.

Likewise with respect to BF, he either has his hands tied, or he sucks, or both. But again, whatever the problem with BF is, it all flows back to his Dad. Either Brian is a chef who can't choose his own ingredients, or he is just a bad OC. Either way, his Dad is the problem, not him, for putting him in a position to not just fail, but to do so in an embarrassing manner. Indeed, his Dad is hurting his future coaching prospects by allowing him to be so bad. I guess BF is a grown man and he could quit, but I am not going to fault him for trying his best too.

Stoops and Fran should be trolling KF. Hard truth.
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There you go again, making sense. When will you learn?
 


NorthKCHawk said:
I screamed at the TV and cursed Petras and BF too many times to count Saturday, but after seeing KF's presser, they are not the problem.

Petras does not deserve to be booed or beat up on message boards. Does anyone doubt he is trying his best? He is a kid out there doing all he can, he just has not been given the right coaching, or he just doesn't have the goods. I think the latter, but who cares. Its not his fault he can't get the job done, and its not his fault he keeps accepting more chances from his HC. He is giving his all for Iowa. I am not going to boo his anymore. He just should not be on the field. Period.

Likewise with respect to BF, he either has his hands tied, or he sucks, or both. But again, whatever the problem with BF is, it all flows back to his Dad. Either Brian is a chef who can't choose his own ingredients, or he is just a bad OC. Either way, his Dad is the problem, not him, for putting him in a position to not just fail, but to do so in an embarrassing manner. Indeed, his Dad is hurting his future coaching prospects by allowing him to be so bad. I guess BF is a grown man and he could quit, but I am not going to fault him for trying his best too.

Stoops and Fran should be trolling KF. Hard truth.
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The booing is being done at the staff for not making changes.

That I'm going to continue to boo at until they do.
 


Its not my place to tell others when and why they should or should not boo. Everyone paid money to get in and has the right to express their opinions. But, when the boos rain down after Petras throws one 10 feet over the head of the reciever, it would be hard for the young man to believe he personally is not being booed. But, he chose to become a DI QB and some of this stuff just comes with the territory.

In the end, KF is continually putting this kid in a position to fail and that is wrong and bad coaching.
 


NorthKCHawk said:
Its not my place to tell others when and why they should or should not boo. Everyone paid money to get in and has the right to express their opinions. But, when the boos rain down after Petras throws one 10 feet over the head of the reciever, it would be hard for the young man to believe he personally is not being booed. But, he chose to become a DI QB and some of this stuff just comes with the territory.

In the end, KF is continually putting this kid in a position to fail and that is wrong and bad coaching.
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If I had the ability to tell Brian and Kirk that I was booing them instead of Petras I would. But I don't, and (as you said, Petras should understand it's what comes with the territory.
 


NorthKCHawk said:
Its not my place to tell others when and why they should or should not boo. Everyone paid money to get in and has the right to express their opinions. But, when the boos rain down after Petras throws one 10 feet over the head of the reciever, it would be hard for the young man to believe he personally is not being booed. But, he chose to become a DI QB and some of this stuff just comes with the territory.

In the end, KF is continually putting this kid in a position to fail and that is wrong and bad coaching.
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And this is exactly why I don't boo Iowa when a bad play is made. It's personal to these guys, how could it be not? If you boo when they don't go on 4th down when you know they should - i.e. a clear coaching decision, I am more flexible. Petras is doing his best, there is no doubt of that.
 


NorthKCHawk said:
I screamed at the TV and cursed Petras and BF too many times to count Saturday, but after seeing KF's presser, they are not the problem.

Petras does not deserve to be booed or beat up on message boards. Does anyone doubt he is trying his best? He is a kid out there doing all he can, he just has not been given the right coaching, or he just doesn't have the goods. I think the latter, but who cares. Its not his fault he can't get the job done, and its not his fault he keeps accepting more chances from his HC. He is giving his all for Iowa. I am not going to boo his anymore. He just should not be on the field. Period.

Likewise with respect to BF, he either has his hands tied, or he sucks, or both. But again, whatever the problem with BF is, it all flows back to his Dad. Either Brian is a chef who can't choose his own ingredients, or he is just a bad OC. Either way, his Dad is the problem, not him, for putting him in a position to not just fail, but to do so in an embarrassing manner. Indeed, his Dad is hurting his future coaching prospects by allowing him to be so bad. I guess BF is a grown man and he could quit, but I am not going to fault him for trying his best too.

Stoops and Fran should be trolling KF. Hard truth.
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I agree with most of this with exception to it all flowing back to his dad. I still firmly believe it's on BF as much as KF. Your absolutely right either BF can't choose "his own ingredients or he is just a bad OC", but at the same time Brian still is horrible doing what he does. Brian also has to understand that not only is he hurting the program he put blood, sweat, and tears into as a player, but he also knows that he's simply not getting it done and his dad for obvious reasons will never fire him. I guess I look at is from the perspective if I'm working for my dad, and care at all about the business, in this case the program, I'm showing myself the door knowing it's his reputation at stake.
 






People pay a lot of good money and invest a lot of time to go to the games. Yes, not as much time as the kids put in practice/classroom studies.....or perhaps the time coaches put in for game plans.....but still very good money down.

The team just came off a Big Ten West Title and had a returning starting QB, a stellar defense and special teams. Sold out home games. There is a lot of frustration out there for scoring 14 total points in two games and a horrible loss to the clowns.
 


NorthKCHawk said:
Indeed, his Dad is hurting his future coaching prospects by allowing him to be so bad.
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No, no he isn't. Brain's stock reached a high point the day that Iowa beat Ohio. What was the score of that game? But that stock dropped faster than the NASDAQ in 2000 the next week at Wisconsin. How did the offense look that day?

But really what will forever be hanging over Brain's head is the contents of the Husch Blackwell report that weren't made public because they were part of the personnel file. Here's the reality of the situation, we have a coordinator clocking 7 figures all in (with bonus and benefits) who is literally unemployable as a coordinator or head coach anywhere within the top levels of collegiate ball or the NFL because of that file and that is leaving aside his absolutely shit stained performance record. No one can hire the guy because no one wants to be the administrator who hires him and then the Husch Blackwell thing gets leaked a month later and you have some sort of clusterfuck Les Miles/Kansas situation on your hands. Their fans will want to know "why the hell did you hire him?"

Chris Doyle was expendable because he's not Kirk's son. But the same can't be said of Brian. That guy is going to need to a lengthy rehab stint as a position coach to even hope to ever sniff the upper echelons of a decent program.

Look, I don't fault Kurt. If I had a way to grift a million bucks a year to set my kid up for life I would possibly maybe think about doing it as well. But I at least have the balls to tell my son that he has to get better. Monday night he struck out twice in coach pitch. Granted a bunch of the balls hit the plate and were bad pitches, but I said to the boy "It's your fault the coach hits the plate and not the strike zone because you don't inspire any confidence in the coach and that makes him throw it slower to you than to everyone else and that makes his pitches to you bad. If you want better pitches and to not strike out the solution is really simple - you just have to get better and if you act like a clown I ain't schlepping you all over town for baseball." I'm sure Kurt tells Brain something similar, but he ain't actually gonna follow through on discipline. Oh wait, I forgot Barta is Brain's boss. Well, irregardless, in any normal arms-length scenario there is no way in hell Brain would be retained by a top 25-30-ish caliber football program given his "body of work."
 


kicker22 said:
I agree with most of this with exception to it all flowing back to his dad. I still firmly believe it's on BF as much as KF. Your absolutely right either BF can't choose "his own ingredients or he is just a bad OC", but at the same time Brian still is horrible doing what he does. Brian also has to understand that not only is he hurting the program he put blood, sweat, and tears into as a player, but he also knows that he's simply not getting it done and his dad for obvious reasons will never fire him. I guess I look at is from the perspective if I'm working for my dad, and care at all about the business, in this case the program, I'm showing myself the door knowing it's his reputation at stake.
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Fair point. As I noted in my opening post, Brian is a grown ass man, and he could resign in the best interest of his Dad and the program (and frankly him; sucking this bad cannot be helping his chances for his next gig). Athletes and coaches rarely admit when they are over there head, though.

Andy Reid had to fire his son after his DUI accident thing. But, Reid is accountable to people. KF really just isn't. He owns his boss, he doesn't need the media, he doesn't need money, the donors mostly tolerate his conservative approach because is usually works, so he can do what he wants and he is. But, he is embarrassing a nice young man by sending him out there to fail over and over again.
 


okeefe4prez said:
No, no he isn't. Brain's stock reached a high point the day that Iowa beat Ohio. What was the score of that game? But that stock dropped faster than the NASDAQ in 2000 the next week at Wisconsin. How did the offense look that day?

But really what will forever be hanging over Brain's head is the contents of the Husch Blackwell report that weren't made public because they were part of the personnel file. Here's the reality of the situation, we have a coordinator clocking 7 figures all in (with bonus and benefits) who is literally unemployable as a coordinator or head coach anywhere within the top levels of collegiate ball or the NFL because of that file and that is leaving aside his absolutely shit stained performance record. No one can hire the guy because no one wants to be the administrator who hires him and then the Husch Blackwell thing gets leaked a month later and you have some sort of clusterfuck Les Miles/Kansas situation on your hands. Their fans will want to know "why the hell did you hire him?"

Chris Doyle was expendable because he's not Kirk's son. But the same can't be said of Brian. That guy is going to need to a lengthy rehab stint as a position coach to even hope to ever sniff the upper echelons of a decent program.

Look, I don't fault Kurt. If I had a way to grift a million bucks a year to set my kid up for life I would possibly maybe think about doing it as well. But I at least have the balls to tell my son that he has to get better. Monday night he struck out twice in coach pitch. Granted a bunch of the balls hit the plate and were bad pitches, but I said to the boy "It's your fault the coach hits the plate and not the strike zone because you don't inspire any confidence in the coach and that makes him throw it slower to you than to everyone else and that makes his pitches to you bad. If you want better pitches and to not strike out the solution is really simple - you just have to get better and if you act like a clown I ain't schlepping you all over town for baseball." I'm sure Kurt tells Brain something similar, but he ain't actually gonna follow through on discipline. Oh wait, I forgot Barta is Brain's boss. Well, irregardless, in any normal arms-length scenario there is no way in hell Brain would be retained by a top 25-30-ish caliber football program given his "body of work."
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You are focusing on what is motivating Kirk. Who cares? That is missing the point. Why he has blind loyalty to his son is irrelevant. He does! So, this is his fucking fault. He is retaining a bad OC for some form of paternal sympathy and it is materially harming his program.

And I stand by my statement that this is hurting Brian too. Sucking year after year is not going to lead to better jobs. I agree he needs to go back to the NFL and be a position coach or something like that. His stock is only dropping as the OC at Iowa.
 




NorthKCHawk said:
Fair point. As I noted in my opening post, Brian is a grown ass man, and he could resign in the best interest of his Dad and the program (and frankly him; sucking this bad cannot be helping his chances for his next gig). Athletes and coaches rarely admit when they are over there head, though.

Andy Reid had to fire his son after his DUI accident thing. But, Reid is accountable to people. KF really just isn't. He owns his boss, he doesn't need the media, he doesn't need money, the donors mostly tolerate his conservative approach because is usually works, so he can do what he wants and he is. But, he is embarrassing a nice young man by sending him out there to fail over and over again.
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Based on his now nationally infamous ineptitude, Brian has nowhere to go. Who's going to hire him? Certainly not for anything remotely close to his current payday.
And why would he leave? His job is secure regardless of his performance.
Where else could he have that sort of job security?
We need another solution rather than hoping Brian, or Kirk, or Barta, will "do the right thing" here.
 


If we continually see suicide runs on 3rd down up the gut into a stacked box, 3 yd out routes on 3rd and 7, and multiple misses by a QB with a single digit rating and an INT/TD ratio of 9:1 over 10 games, those boos are quite obviously aimed at Kirk and Brian. And they should be.
 


If the season ends up the way it is trending, Brian will fall on the sword and step down. Given his baggage I have no clue where he ends up. TE coach on a NFL team? OL assistant coach on a bloated NFL coaching staff?

As for Petras I feel bad for him. Clearly, he is a mess mentally. The body language on the field, you can see the lack of confidence with each errant pass. Yet Kirk wants to continue to run him out there, out of pure stubbornness.

sidenote: Listening to interviews with Spencer Petras when he is just talking X(s) and O(s)...obviously, it doesn't translate on the field, but he is a football savant, he is really smart. I hope that this Iowa experience doesn't sour him on becoming a coach down the line.
 


okeefe4prez said:
No, no he isn't. Brain's stock reached a high point the day that Iowa beat Ohio. What was the score of that game? But that stock dropped faster than the NASDAQ in 2000 the next week at Wisconsin. How did the offense look that day?

But really what will forever be hanging over Brain's head is the contents of the Husch Blackwell report that weren't made public because they were part of the personnel file. Here's the reality of the situation, we have a coordinator clocking 7 figures all in (with bonus and benefits) who is literally unemployable as a coordinator or head coach anywhere within the top levels of collegiate ball or the NFL because of that file and that is leaving aside his absolutely shit stained performance record. No one can hire the guy because no one wants to be the administrator who hires him and then the Husch Blackwell thing gets leaked a month later and you have some sort of clusterfuck Les Miles/Kansas situation on your hands. Their fans will want to know "why the hell did you hire him?"

Chris Doyle was expendable because he's not Kirk's son. But the same can't be said of Brian. That guy is going to need to a lengthy rehab stint as a position coach to even hope to ever sniff the upper echelons of a decent program.

Look, I don't fault Kurt. If I had a way to grift a million bucks a year to set my kid up for life I would possibly maybe think about doing it as well. But I at least have the balls to tell my son that he has to get better. Monday night he struck out twice in coach pitch. Granted a bunch of the balls hit the plate and were bad pitches, but I said to the boy "It's your fault the coach hits the plate and not the strike zone because you don't inspire any confidence in the coach and that makes him throw it slower to you than to everyone else and that makes his pitches to you bad. If you want better pitches and to not strike out the solution is really simple - you just have to get better and if you act like a clown I ain't schlepping you all over town for baseball." I'm sure Kurt tells Brain something similar, but he ain't actually gonna follow through on discipline. Oh wait, I forgot Barta is Brain's boss. Well, irregardless, in any normal arms-length scenario there is no way in hell Brain would be retained by a top 25-30-ish caliber football program given his "body of work."
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Your boy Saban is good at bringing in guys that are damaged goods and rehabbing them. I'm not saying he can turn BF into a head coach, but he could do a favor for his old friend Kurt and give his kid a cushy landing spot.
 




Not that this would happen, but when they hired Brian, didn't they have to set it up so he reports to Barta and not KF? Meaning, Barta could fire him? Again, never gonna happen, but maybe Barta grows a spine.
 


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