InGoodCo
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Iowa has only failed to reach 7 wins in 5 of Kirk's 23 seasons and 2 of those we're his first 2 seasons. Also, Iowa hasn't failed to win 7 games in a decade.
I am done being pissed at BF/Petras. They are not the problem
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InGoodCo
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I understand the Ferentz fatigue, I really do, but what never really jives with these hot takes are the bottom line #'s. The game is about winning and losing - Iowa wins more then it loses. That's literally all that matters. How we do it doesn't matter, the fact that we did does. Period. Results driven business. The only argument you can make about Iowa as a program is that they haven't been absolutely elite year in and year out. I can't argue that. I don't think their Ohio State. I don't pretend they are....but a lot, and I mean a lot of you losers act like we're one of the worst P5 programs in the country. When Iowa switches places with Nebraska I'll be down in the mud with you miserable cucks, but until that happens, I'll just enjoy winning ball games at a high clip as long as I can.
kicker22
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I agree that the bottom line is wins and losses, but you don't think that the complaints many of these "losers" are making could lead to more wins and less losses. I guess I'm the loser that believes even a serviceable offense with this defense and special teams could really be something special. Maybe not playoff special but definitely set the standard for where the floor would be. Said it before and I'll say it again, but why shouldn't the fans want an offense to compliment the defense and special teams? Not asking for elite offense but you can't tell me an offense ranked top 40-60 wouldn't take this program to another level.
InGoodCo
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I want that too. I want a competent offense. Watching 3 and outs suck. If Iowa could only be serviceable it would be so much more enjoyable. Complimentary football is all I am asking for.
I'd be in the fire the OC camp if I wouldn't have seen pretty much the same shit with the last 2 OC's we've had. This is how Ferentz wants to win ball games. He wants to win with D and Special Teams. There's a lot of ways to skin a cat. I prefer that we skin it with hard nosed D. Gun to my head, do I want high flying offense or a defense I can count on? Do I want to be in Iowa's shoes or Nebraska's? Do I want to put up 600 yards or do I want to give up 600 yards.
That's easy for me. I'll take it any way I can get it.
But it's a real loser attitude to win and somehow still feel like you're losing.
Stating some of the dumb shit that gets spewed over and over on this site deserves to be called out. I'm fine doing it.
You can't call Iowa 22 years of average when it's historically the most winning the school has ever done.
I think you both make good points, but you are arguing different things.
On one hand is the argument that Iowa sucks. That is what @InGoodCo is arguing against.
On the other hand is the argument that Iowa should make a major overhaul to its offense (which you seem to be arguing for). @InGoodCo is NOT arguing against that, and I am pretty sure he would be for it.
It can simultaneously be true that Iowa has been one of the more successful programs in the country over the past 5 years AND they have underachieved because their offense is behind the times.
And it can simultaneously be true that KF is a really good coach overall AND he seems to have a blind-spot that has sometimes hampered his team.
HawkGold
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22 years is not a fair comparison due to scheduling nonconference. What really gets old is the spewing of "look we are winning" when there is an * combined with the off the field stuff.
HawkGold
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Johnson completely made one of those plays.
kicker22
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Good clarification and I see where your coming from now. I'm totally with you, but hate the mentality that a serviceable offense isn't necessary. But man to put up 500+ ypg , even 400 with this defense and special teams would be awesome. I just don't understand why we can't have both.
InGoodCo
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Are you insinuating that Iowa didn't schedule cupcakes before Kirk? lol and you're issues are the off the field stuff associated with the staff lol?
Never change and we'll just keep coming back here to have the discussion.
kicker22
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Totally agree with you on this especially the part about KF. As I posted earlier in another thread, maybe this one who knows I have zero issue with KF being held accountable for the offense and he should be, but I do take issue with him getting no credit what so ever for the defense. I don't think you can have it both ways.
kicker22
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Say a hilarious TikTok about some talking heads absolutely laying into Michigan's OOC. Everyone plays cupcakes I'm just a firm believer that all OOC games should be cupcakes. That said if a team wants to schedule a slate of cupcakes they should absolute catch hell and be called out for it regardless of conference affiliation.
InGoodCo
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Year 23 of this staff, we shouldn't be in the situation we are on offense. I have no defense for that. Our situation at WR should never happen to a team at Iowa's level. It's pathetic actually.
BUT
My biggest thing in any of this is, let's not act like we're not one of the best 15 programs in the sport the last few decades and if we're being honest, Iowa has seen an uptick in wins the past several seasons.
Context, we all need it sometimes.
rschneider
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That is noce. Still think Iowa owes that to Norm Parker and Phil Parker... Not Kirk.
InGoodCo
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And that's fair, but that's not how it really works in football. It's the head coach in football that typically either gets the blame or the credit. It comes with the territory. If you want to look at it differently then everyone else that's your deal and I respect it. But you know you can do that with every successful head coach in the history of the sport. He hired both of those guys. He was the boss, he made every decision, he gets the credit.
rschneider
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Agree, and he also hired the worst OC in the conference.
Kirk has had some good offensive teams, it'd just be nice to see Iowa get over that "hump", that Wisconsin seemed to enjoy for 10+ years.
HawkGold
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When HF came, the answer is no they didn't. They were the cupcakes. HF started doing it but it wasn't done immediately. 1AA wasn't around then. Not sure when that started. Some of HFs cupcakes were teams that could actually beat you.... Colorado, K State. Even AT Tulsa.
InGoodCo
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Oh you mean like Iowa State and top 3 FCS teams? Iowa went Arizona State, they went to Pitt.... They schedule Nebraska when they were #1. They went to Syracuse. These are games just off the top my head with no research. You're ridiculous and sorta clueless and ya can't really be helped. But that's what keeps me coming back. Don't change
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HawkGold
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MAC. Dude, you sort of just made my argument and you don't even know that.
Stack the schedules up side by side. I just did the top of my head as well. It gets down to this. You aren't overly happy of KF, but you are afraid of change and like mediocrity even if it means not having full integrity.
I"m not horribly upset with the record, but don't want KF due to issues of integrity, control, abuse and style. Though I admit that "Ferentzing" is beautiful when it works and he isn't slaming RB brains into a concrete wall or having the QB be the Sundance Kid at the last shootout.
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InGoodCo
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I just named a bunch of P5 teams Iowa had home and aways with at the beginning of Kirk's Iowa career. You just ignore em and say I am making your point. Try making sense and then we can have an adult conversations. I think you are somehow trying to convince me that Iowa schedule's differently in the OOC then any other team in the country. Iowa has always played Iowa State. They play 9 games against P5 programs in their league alone. They've been playing 10 P5 teams for some time. Sorry, but not sorry that you can't look at that objectively.
I'm pretty happy with Kirk Ferentz. He's our all time winningest coach and Iowa is in the midst of some of the best football they've ever played in school history. I'm not satisfied by any means, but it really is nice being relevant in CFB every year. I enjoy being good at football and I wish for that to continue as long as I can have it.
I don't get the big deal not wanting that...but to each their own.
I'm pretty happy with Kirk Ferentz. He's our all time winningest coach and Iowa is in the midst of some of the best football they've ever played in school history. I'm not satisfied by any means, but it really is nice being relevant in CFB every year. I enjoy being good at football and I wish for that to continue as long as I can have it.
I don't get the big deal not wanting that...but to each their own.
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kicker22
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It's exactly like you said. Every big time program is scheduling cupcakes and as you stated if you're not the one scheduling the cupcakes then you most likely are the cupcake. And if you can't seem to find at least one competent OOC opponent then you deserve to be hammered. While I agree that when HF came around they were playing a tougher OOC slate, I'm not going to hold that against KF who's following the same OOC model used by probably 90% of the programs across the nation. Until teams start actually getting penalized in the rankings and playoff discussions for scheduling cupcakes it's never going to change.
