The Fran Conundrum

NikeHawk21

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So I found myself agreeing with this position “if Iowa doesn’t make the NCAA tournament next year we should fire Fran.” However when you think about it more does that really make sense?

Look at the team we are watching this year, does anyone think they have any chance of making the tournament next year? By all accounts Weiskamp is a big time player, but as a freshman is he really going to come in and all the sudden solidify our perimeter defense? Unlikely. Cmac won’t help there either. Is Garza going to turn into the rim protector we hoped he could be? Cook hasn’t improved much on defense this year, and it’s unlikely Garza gets much more fleet of foot, a guy who struggles with positioning and is slow of foot is going to continue to have issues in my estimation. Moss is in his 3rd year on campus now, and he still doesn’t know how to use a screen to get himself open, I don’t see that changing. Pemsl and JBo are basically at their basketball ceilings.

I think the only realistic route to the tournament next year would be if Ellingson grad transfers and Fran can land a legit grad transfer or JUCO guard. The chances of that happening are unfortunately very very slim.

Maybe the argument is Fran has earned one more year because he pulled us from the depths. But other than that I don’t see any reason to wait until after next year to move on. If we do that our 2019 recruiting class would likely completely fall apart. Btw the MCaf boys are not program changers. Connor was extremely overrated at every level, and likely a mid major type player, and Pat might be a P5 player when he develops, but he is in no way a blue chipper. As far as Weiskamp goes I think he committed to the school, and I think a potential new coach could keep him on board.

We know nothing will happen with Barta at the helm, so this is a hypothetical, but this is about being proactive, as much as it pains me to say it, I think it’s time to move on.
 
I agree with a lot of this. I will also say the biggest short comings of this team is, they lack a team leader on the floor. None of the existing players have stepped up to fill that roll. Maybe in the locker room and at practice but not during the game. I prefer it to be the point guard and it doesn't have to be the second coming of Ronnie Lester. An Andre Woolridge type player would help this team set up the offense and defense. Surely Fran can find a PG capable of filling that role. Val Barnes, Dean Oliver, Kenny Arnold, Jeff Moe and Jeff Horner. Those types of players are out there. Find a solid PG that can lead a team on the floor. Quit looking for that super star PG that will never come to Iowa.
 
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This is off the deep end. I think this the Freshman and Sophomore class, along with more guards can compete for the NCAA tournament next year. How can you say that these guys are peaking at age 20? Had Uthoff peaked after his Sophomore year when he was flat out not good? Jok ? White? None of those guys were playing any better then the guys you listed that have peaked at this point in their careers. They played on better teams, with better upperclassman. How are the McCaffery boys already over rated? Connor hasn't played but for a few minutes this season while being injured and sick. Where in the world would that even be something that can be gleaned at this point? Patrick is ranked as a borderline 5 star before his junior year of HS.

Weiskamp may have committed to the school, but firing the HC right before he arrives would definitely open his mind I imagine.

Fran deserves all the heat he's getting, I am all about dishing it out. Disgusted...but, ya can't let it swing that far to the side imo
 
This is off the deep end. I think this the Freshman and Sophomore class, along with more guards can compete for the NCAA tournament next year. How can you say that these guys are peaking at age 20? Had Uthoff peaked after his Sophomore year when he was flat out not good? Jok ? White? None of those guys were playing any better then the guys you listed that have peaked at this point in their careers. They played on better teams, with better upperclassman. How are the McCaffery boys already over rated? Connor hasn't played but for a few minutes this season while being injured and sick. Where in the world would that even be something that can be gleaned at this point? Patrick is ranked as a borderline 5 star before his junior year of HS.

Weiskamp may have committed to the school, but firing the HC right before he arrives would definitely open his mind I imagine.

Fran deserves all the heat he's getting, I am all about dishing it out. Disgusted...but, ya can't let it swing that far to the side imo
Uthoff averaged 7.6 PPG/ 50% FG / 42.5% 3s / 1.1 Blocks as a sophomore in only 18 minutes. He would be the second best, if not the best player on this team, as a sophomore.

No sense in arguing about the MCaf boys. That’s my opinion and you have yours, we will see how it plays out.

Nunge, Dailey, and Cook are all players with quite a bit of potential, Moss has some too.
 
If PMac is top 30, then Cook is one & done. ;)

I thought Pat had a way better jumper and handles then Cook at this point in the process? Also, I think they are pretty similarly rated aren't they? I'm just curious as to how you guys know this stuff? I aint saying you're wrong... I just want to know what you know. How you know it. Why you think it is?

Could it be that you are making these types of statements off of the product that's on the court now and letting that possibly influence your take?
 
I don't disagree that he'd be a big contributor on this team, but you are describing Nunge's #'s pretty much...besides Uthoff being a touch better at 3, and his season is only half over.

Nunge's average - 7.6 ppg/ 59% FG/ 37% from 3/ 1 block per game as it stands.



Uthoff averaged 7.6 PPG/ 50% FG / 42.5% 3s / 1.1 Blocks as a sophomore in only 18 minutes. He would be the second best, if not the best player on this team, as a sophomore.

No sense in arguing about the MCaf boys. That’s my opinion and you have yours, we will see how it plays out.

Nunge, Dailey, and Cook are all players with quite a bit of potential, Moss has some too.
 
I thought Pat had a way better jumper and handles then Cook at this point in the process? Also, I think they are pretty similarly rated aren't they? I'm just curious as to how you guys know this stuff? I aint saying you're wrong... I just want to know what you know. How you know it. Why you think it is?

Could it be that you are making these types of statements off of the product that's on the court now and letting that possibly influence your take?
I’ve said all along Connor was overrated. I make my judgements based on the eye test. Are there many 6’5 PGs that aren’t very quick and are average jump shooters that have had a lot of success at this level? None that I recall. Pat has potential but still has a long way to go. I just don’t see him as a top 40 type guy.

But either way does that really matter? Are we really going to shackle ourselves to a coach because his kids? You say he should be gone if we don’t make the tourney next year? Do you think we will make the tourney next year?
 
I don't disagree that he'd be a big contributor on this team, but you are describing Nunge's #'s pretty much...besides Uthoff being a touch better at 3, and his season is only half over.

Nunge's average - 7.6 ppg/ 59% FG/ 37% from 3/ 1 block per game as it stands.
I like Jack and he should play more but Fran is screwing that up. His stats at the end of the year will not be what they are now. He’s averaging less than 5 in conference play.
 
I’ve said all along Connor was overrated. I make my judgements based on the eye test. Are there many 6’5 PGs that aren’t very quick and are average jump shooters that have had a lot of success at this level? None that I recall. Pat has potential but still has a long way to go. I just don’t see him as a top 40 type guy.

But either way does that really matter? Are we really going to shackle ourselves to a coach because his kids? You say he should be gone if we don’t make the tourney next year? Do you think we will make the tourney next year?[/QUOTE]

Yes, and yes
 
I am literally sick over this season. I have watched pretty much every Iowa basketball game since the mid 80's. The good years, the bad years.... all of it. But honestly, this is Fran's first "bad" season...since he dug us out of where it was and it's BAD. Unacceptable. I am not trying to say it's not. Last season wasn't good either, but it definitely wasn't "bad". .... and Hawkeye fans are completely turning on him. I get it. I really do. I am fed up too, but that just seems quick to me. Even in the age of instant gratification in sports. It also seems quick to just dump on all of the players, all of his recruits, his kids... all of em because of it.

that's just MY opinion.
 
The chance of Barta doing anything about the basketball program is zero. Zero. There is no conundrum in Barta's mind.
 
I don't disagree that he'd be a big contributor on this team, but you are describing Nunge's #'s pretty much...besides Uthoff being a touch better at 3, and his season is only half over.

Nunge's average - 7.6 ppg/ 59% FG/ 37% from 3/ 1 block per game as it stands.

And Garza is averaging 10 ppg/57% FG / 35 % from 3 /1.4 blocks a game in 18 minutes as a freshman and there are folks who don't think he should be playing. I agree he needs work on defense, but I believe there is some talent to work with. The real question is, does this coach/coaching staff make these players better the longer they stay here at Iowa?
 
@InGoodCo Will Fran change his coaching philosophy that he has had since he’s been here and only play the top guys? How will our perimeter defense improve to a level that’s even serviceable? Who will be able to create for themselves off the dribble? How will we be a good interior defensive team with the same players that make us awful in that regard this year? I am a big believer in player improvement from year to year, but with what we have in the fold for next year, I just don’t see how we make the tournament barring a minor miracle. Show me how/ why I should believe.
 
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I thought Pat had a way better jumper and handles then Cook at this point in the process? Also, I think they are pretty similarly rated aren't they? I'm just curious as to how you guys know this stuff? I aint saying you're wrong... I just want to know what you know. How you know it. Why you think it is?

Could it be that you are making these types of statements off of the product that's on the court now and letting that possibly influence your take?
I always go to rivals.com and look to see if the top programs in the state offered our recruits schollys. Uhl, Ellingson, Dailey , Moss plus Fredrick the player we have from Kentucky coming in next year never received offers from their own back yard. Garza and Cook are the only legit out of state recruits we have on the entire roster. The assistants need to be shit canned
 
What do you base that on, exactly?
Agree with you - what is the evidence that Patrick is overrated? That's not the same as predicting he's a surefire success in college, but calling him overrated, while he's still a junior in high school, is just being negative. But, that's probably the point.
 

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