Preview, Prediction: Iowa Looking to Tame Wildcats



RobHowe said:
Not sure the context of this data but I'm guessing it's elite recruits, ie. four or five star kids, per capita. If so, that accounts for the top kids not the number of D-I prospects. Iowa has had a good run with guys like Pierschbacher, Darboh, Martin, etc. That doesn't change the fact that Iowa doesn't have the number of Power 5 players in this state compared to others in the conference. Find me a comparison between the No. of Power 5 players in Chicago compared to the entire state of Iowa in the last five years.
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It's a message board This one is pretty darn tame compared to many. Wisconsin doesn't have a bevvy of players to chose from their own state. Granted they don't have Wisconsin State either. Fact is that Wisky and Iowa both compete for Illinois players. Probably it's hard for Iowa, Wisky, IL,, NW, and Purdue to be all good at the same time.

This is an interesting article that talks about Academic standards at Wisky and NW. Iowa SHOUlD be deeper than NW and I don't see how that is arguable. Nor am I a negative person.

Most of the detractors aren't really that bad. I do think that HF set things up by refusing to make excuses. He would say it was harder, but aside from when he applied at USC, he just didn't make excuses. The excuses do get wearing.

Iowa does have the ability to recruit decent enough players. KF is good at finding diamonds in the rough.

KF does set himself up for criticism by his stubbornness. It frustrates people.

This NW article actually talks about Bob Sanders.

http://www.northbynorthwestern.com/story/our-athletes-are-too-smart/

If you want to drive away posters who get frustrated about KF, the number of posts will go down. I can't answer for others. I would be less critical if Iowa would open the O up more. It's just more fun to watch period. I think I'm pretty darn fair about KF.

I think I'm pretty darn fair is saying the KF doesn't do well with game manager QBs. They seem to correlate with down yars. Stanley MAY be different. KF does really well with QBs who are not game managers, but are a bit of mavericks. I think I'm pretty darn fair saying that Iowa problems by in large on O have to do with 1st down play calling. I think I'm pretty darn fair saying that not getting to the QB on D is a big problem. I think I'm pretty darn fair in saying over the years Iowa RBs get clobbered a whole lot due to lack of blocking support.

I think I'm pretty darn fair is saying that KF does a good job of keeping games close. He does pretty darn good about finding unknown talent. Not sure how good he is about developing mediocre talent though.

I think it's pretty darn fair to say the national media doesn't have a lot of respect toward Iowa as a football power. That lack is not just about talent, it's game decision making.
 


hawkeyes87 said:
"per capita" seems fairly meaningless to recruiting- number of prospects is really the only relevant number.

I mean, according to these numbers, Hawaii is a top-10 recruiting state?
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If you look at the article it also gives number of players.
 


HawkGold said:
It's a message board This one is pretty darn tame compared to many. Wisconsin doesn't have a bevvy of players to chose from their own state. Granted they don't have Wisconsin State either. Fact is that Wisky and Iowa both compete for Illinois players. Probably it's hard for Iowa, Wisky, IL,, NW, and Purdue to be all good at the same time.

This is an interesting article that talks about Academic standards at Wisky and NW. Iowa SHOUlD be deeper than NW and I don't see how that is arguable. Nor am I a negative person.

Most of the detractors aren't really that bad. I do think that HF set things up by refusing to make excuses. He would say it was harder, but aside from when he applied at USC, he just didn't make excuses. The excuses do get wearing.

Iowa does have the ability to recruit decent enough players. KF is good at finding diamonds in the rough.

KF does set himself up for criticism by his stubbornness. It frustrates people.

This NW article actually talks about Bob Sanders.

http://www.northbynorthwestern.com/story/our-athletes-are-too-smart/

If you want to drive away posters who get frustrated about KF, the number of posts will go down. I can't answer for others. I would be less critical if Iowa would open the O up more. It's just more fun to watch period. I think I'm pretty darn fair about KF.

I think I'm pretty darn fair is saying the KF doesn't do well with game manager QBs. They seem to correlate with down yars. Stanley MAY be different. KF does really well with QBs who are not game managers, but are a bit of mavericks. I think I'm pretty darn fair saying that Iowa problems by in large on O have to do with 1st down play calling. I think I'm pretty darn fair saying that not getting to the QB on D is a big problem. I think I'm pretty darn fair in saying over the years Iowa RBs get clobbered a whole lot due to lack of blocking support.

I think I'm pretty darn fair is saying that KF does a good job of keeping games close. He does pretty darn good about finding unknown talent. Not sure how good he is about developing mediocre talent though.

I think it's pretty darn fair to say the national media doesn't have a lot of respect toward Iowa as a football power. That lack is not just about talent, it's game decision making.
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No, I am sure he just wants to drive away the guys who have absolutely NOTHING else to talk about. It gets old. It's tiring...and you aren't fair in a lot of your assessment. You don't think that KF is good at developing mediocre talent? That's basically the ingredients he works with every season and he churns out players to the NFL like no other program on similar footing. Iowa typically has NO issues running the ball dude. You're straight up crazy. Heard of the Doak Walker? Heard of 2 1000 yard rushers last season? Canzeri? You name it, doesn't matter who they got back there, they run ball. All teams get some tackles for a loss. Iowa also puts DL players into the league at AN alarming rate. I mean, tons. Do you think that's because they DON'T get to the quarterback? Is that your assessment? KF seems to have had some good QB play, this season, last season, the season before that... etc.

I don't think your pretty darn fair in anything.
 


HawkGold said:
It's a message board This one is pretty darn tame compared to many. Wisconsin doesn't have a bevvy of players to chose from their own state. Granted they don't have Wisconsin State either. Fact is that Wisky and Iowa both compete for Illinois players. Probably it's hard for Iowa, Wisky, IL,, NW, and Purdue to be all good at the same time.

This is an interesting article that talks about Academic standards at Wisky and NW. Iowa SHOUlD be deeper than NW and I don't see how that is arguable. Nor am I a negative person.

Most of the detractors aren't really that bad. I do think that HF set things up by refusing to make excuses. He would say it was harder, but aside from when he applied at USC, he just didn't make excuses. The excuses do get wearing.

Iowa does have the ability to recruit decent enough players. KF is good at finding diamonds in the rough.

KF does set himself up for criticism by his stubbornness. It frustrates people.

This NW article actually talks about Bob Sanders.

http://www.northbynorthwestern.com/story/our-athletes-are-too-smart/

If you want to drive away posters who get frustrated about KF, the number of posts will go down. I can't answer for others. I would be less critical if Iowa would open the O up more. It's just more fun to watch period. I think I'm pretty darn fair about KF.

I think I'm pretty darn fair is saying the KF doesn't do well with game manager QBs. They seem to correlate with down yars. Stanley MAY be different. KF does really well with QBs who are not game managers, but are a bit of mavericks. I think I'm pretty darn fair saying that Iowa problems by in large on O have to do with 1st down play calling. I think I'm pretty darn fair saying that not getting to the QB on D is a big problem. I think I'm pretty darn fair in saying over the years Iowa RBs get clobbered a whole lot due to lack of blocking support.

I think I'm pretty darn fair is saying that KF does a good job of keeping games close. He does pretty darn good about finding unknown talent. Not sure how good he is about developing mediocre talent though.

I think it's pretty darn fair to say the national media doesn't have a lot of respect toward Iowa as a football power. That lack is not just about talent, it's game decision making.
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I don't care if I drive away the posters that continually beat the same negative KF drum. It will open up space for people that don't come on here because they're tired of posters like you.

You're fair in your eyes, man. You're convinced of that. If you're trying to tell us you don't lean heavily towards negativity about Iowa football on here, you're dishonest.

I don't expect the board to have everybody holding hands and singing kumbaya, but the same small group of posters pounding away at the program with rarely an original thought gets tiring.

This is another example of a thread being hijacked by this crew. It's a game preview thread. Who's talking about how the teams matchup and who's talking about how Iowa doesn't recruit well enough and should be as good as Wisconsin?

I'm done. I don't have time to continue debating the same stuff we debate every few weeks. You don't like the staff. We get it. In the end, it's up to my discretion on who stays and who goes around here so it's an enjoyable community for the majority.
 


RobHowe said:
I don't care if I drive away the posters that continually beat the same negative KF drum. It will open up space for people that don't come on here because they're tired of posters like you.

You're fair in your eyes, man. You're convinced of that. If you're trying to tell us you don't lean heavily towards negativity about Iowa football on here, you're dishonest.

I don't expect the board to have everybody holding hands and singing kumbaya, but the same small group of posters pounding away at the program with rarely an original thought gets tiring.

This is another example of a thread being hijacked by this crew. It's a game preview thread. Who's talking about how the teams matchup and who's talking about how Iowa doesn't recruit well enough and should be as good as Wisconsin?

I'm done. I don't have time to continue debating the same stuff we debate every few weeks. You don't like the staff. We get it. In the end, it's up to my discretion on who stays and who goes around here so it's an enjoyable community for the majority.
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amen - I love the Iowa Football program - it's one of the better CFB programs in the country on a year in and year out basis. Consistency - power football that Iowa fans should be proud of. Of course it can be better, we all want that. Every single thread does turn into this and I am probably just as guilty for engaging with these guys, but it's hard because they just put out stuff that's so inaccurate.
 




InGoodCo said:
amen - I love the Iowa Football program - it's one of the better CFB programs in the country on a year in and year out basis. Consistency - power football that Iowa fans should be proud of. Of course it can be better, we all want that. Every single thread does turn into this and I am probably just as guilty for engaging with these guys, but it's hard because they just put out stuff that's so inaccurate.
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You aren’t to blame for those idiots @InGoodCo They are who they are and they are gonna do what they do.

I think Rob stated it best. Everyone here understands those guys hate the coaching staff. That isn’t the issue, we can agree to disaagree on subjects. It is the fact they hijack every last thread to beat the dead horse negative opinion they have about about the program. I have had my issues with the staff, I have bashed on Fran some and taken heat here about it. What I don’t do is use every thread in every forum to run my personal bash the coaches and program campaign all over this site. It gets so old.
 


It's an Iowa Hawkeye site, why are you here if you don't like the Iowa Hawkeyes? Why do you have to throw shade at EVERYTHING? I mean everything? There isn't anything that KF can do to change these guys opinion. He just stated that over the years Iowa RB's get clobbered because of bad blocking? Kirk Ferentz. Kirk Ferentz. Think about that for a second. Kirk Ferentz? One of the best offensive line minds in the game maybe ever. Over the years, Iowa RB's get clobbered because of bad blocking. He thinks that's fair to say. Kirk Ferentz? Seriously... Kirk Ferentz

If you can say that and honestly tell yourself you believe it, then I don't know if you actually watch football. It's disheartening to hear that someone looks at the program that way.
 


I know I'm easily one of the least-liked posters on this site and I am for sure one of the ones being referenced here, but to be fair I've never said we sucked, that I hate the coaches, or that I think they should be replaced.

And I think the Hawks will win this weekend, btw.
 


HawkGold said:
https://www.sbnation.com/college-fo...l-recruiting-state-rankings-population-capita

Iowa should not be behind Wisconsin. Oregon should never have made a big run. How the heck does K State do it?

Elite recruits per capita, 2013-17
Search:
State Population Est. Blue Chips '13-'17 Per 100,000
D.C. 681,170 15 2.20
Louisiana 4,681,666 74 1.58
Georgia 10,310,371 141 1.37
Mississippi 2,988,726 38 1.27
Alabama 4,863,300 59 1.21
Florida 20,612,439 227 1.10
Texas 27,862,596 229 0.82
Hawaii 1,428,557 10 0.70
Ohio 11,614,373 79 0.68
Virginia 8,411,808 57 0.68
Tennessee 6,651,194 44 0.66
Maryland 6,016,447 36 0.60
South Carolina 4,961,119 28 0.56
Oklahoma 3,923,561 20 0.51
California 39,250,017 199 0.51
North Carolina 10,146,788 51 0.50
Arkansas 2,988,248 15 0.50
Utah 3,051,217 14 0.46
New Jersey 8,944,469 41 0.46
Nevada 2,940,058 13 0.44
Indiana 6,633,053 24 0.36
Michigan 9,928,300 35 0.35
Pennsylvania 12,784,227 44 0.34
Arizona 6,931,071 23 0.33
Illinois 12,801,539 37 0.29
Washington 7,288,000 18 0.25
Oregon 4,093,465 10 0.24
Iowa 3,134,693 7 0.22
Delaware 952,065 2 0.21
Kansas 2,907,289 6 0.21
Kentucky 4,436,974 9 0.20
Missouri 6,093,000 12 0.20
Colorado 5,540,545 10 0.18
South Dakota 865,454 1 0.12
Connecticut 3,576,452 4 0.11
Minnesota 5,519,952 6 0.11
Nebraska 1,907,116 2 0.10
Wisconsin 5,778,708 6 0.10
New Mexico 2,081,015 2 0.10
Idaho 1,683,140 1 0.06
New York 19,745,289 6 0.03
Massachusetts 6,811,779 2 0.03
Alaska 741,894 0 0.00
Maine 1,331,479 0 0.00
Montana 1,042,520 0 0.00
New Hampshire 1,334,795 0 0.00
North Dakota 757,952 0 0.00
Rhode Island 1,056,426 0 0.00
Vermont 624,594 0 0.00
West Virginia 1,831,102 0 0.00
Wyoming 585,501 0 0.00
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That just shows blue chip...while is supports your position, it doesn't take into account overall talent pool. Blue chips can go anywhere they choose, nationwide
 


Fryowa said:
I know I'm easily one of the least-liked posters on this site and I am for sure one of the ones being referenced here, but to be fair I've never said we sucked, that I hate the coaches, or that I think they should be replaced.

And I think the Hawks will win this weekend, btw.
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I don't believe you are one of the posters being referenced. Not even close. There's really only about 4-5 of them, plus a couple who try to be subtle/sneaky about it.

I like ya Fry, and really, that's all that matters.
 


Fryowa said:
I know I'm easily one of the least-liked posters on this site and I am for sure one of the ones being referenced here, but to be fair I've never said we sucked, that I hate the coaches, or that I think they should be replaced.

And I think the Hawks will win this weekend, btw.
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Yeah, you aren't blatantly repeating the same false narrative over and over. It's ok disagree - and have conversation. In fact, it's what the board is for.
 


Fryowa said:
I know I'm easily one of the least-liked posters on this site and I am for sure one of the ones being referenced here, but to be fair I've never said we sucked, that I hate the coaches, or that I think they should be replaced.

And I think the Hawks will win this weekend, btw.
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You were not in my thoughts during my posts. ;)
 


Maryland rarely put pressure on Thorson last week so he was in total control of the NW toolbox especially with Jackson running the ball effectively. Thorson will do the same this week if the Hawks apply little pressure.

Don't have a good feeling about this one. Hope the rest has us finding some better line play on both sides.
 


Fryowa said:
I know I'm easily one of the least-liked posters on this site and I am for sure one of the ones being referenced here, but to be fair I've never said we sucked, that I hate the coaches, or that I think they should be replaced.

And I think the Hawks will win this weekend, btw.
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You think we'll win?! Win?! :) j/k

You can get upset over stuff, like any of us but I say you're a solid post-er (FWIW).
 


ohhawk said:
Maryland rarely put pressure on Thorson last week so he was in total control of the NW toolbox especially with Jackson running the ball effectively. Thorson will do the same this week if the Hawks apply little pressure.

Don't have a good feeling about this one. Hope the rest has us finding some better line play on both sides.
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I'm not sure "pressure" without "contain" will work. If Thorson gets loose for big gains early and often enough, "pressure" goes out the window. Our LBs may well be the key to this game. And of course, our WRs.
 


HawkGold said:
It's a message board This one is pretty darn tame compared to many. Wisconsin doesn't have a bevvy of players to chose from their own state. Granted they don't have Wisconsin State either. Fact is that Wisky and Iowa both compete for Illinois players. Probably it's hard for Iowa, Wisky, IL,, NW, and Purdue to be all good at the same time.

This is an interesting article that talks about Academic standards at Wisky and NW. Iowa SHOUlD be deeper than NW and I don't see how that is arguable. Nor am I a negative person.

Most of the detractors aren't really that bad. I do think that HF set things up by refusing to make excuses. He would say it was harder, but aside from when he applied at USC, he just didn't make excuses. The excuses do get wearing.

Iowa does have the ability to recruit decent enough players. KF is good at finding diamonds in the rough.

KF does set himself up for criticism by his stubbornness. It frustrates people.

This NW article actually talks about Bob Sanders.

http://www.northbynorthwestern.com/story/our-athletes-are-too-smart/

If you want to drive away posters who get frustrated about KF, the number of posts will go down. I can't answer for others. I would be less critical if Iowa would open the O up more. It's just more fun to watch period. I think I'm pretty darn fair about KF.

I think I'm pretty darn fair is saying the KF doesn't do well with game manager QBs. They seem to correlate with down yars. Stanley MAY be different. KF does really well with QBs who are not game managers, but are a bit of mavericks. I think I'm pretty darn fair saying that Iowa problems by in large on O have to do with 1st down play calling. I think I'm pretty darn fair saying that not getting to the QB on D is a big problem. I think I'm pretty darn fair in saying over the years Iowa RBs get clobbered a whole lot due to lack of blocking support.

I think I'm pretty darn fair is saying that KF does a good job of keeping games close. He does pretty darn good about finding unknown talent. Not sure how good he is about developing mediocre talent though.

I think it's pretty darn fair to say the national media doesn't have a lot of respect toward Iowa as a football power. That lack is not just about talent, it's game decision making.
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Thank you for posting this, it's what many of us have wanted to say but haven't done so in such an eloquent manner.

Yes, wanting Iowa to be better gets you banned and threatened apparently. All we want as Iowa fans is for the program to be better and that doesn't necessarily mean KF has to go. But he should adapt to the times and where appropriate shoulder the responsibility of the performance outcomes. I'm not sure how that's a controversial statement or point of view.
 


RobHowe said:
And you’d be wrong. Research their recruits and check out their other offers. They’re not stealing recruits from Princeton and Harvard.
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Yeah I don't think so. How does who else has offered NW recruits have anything to do with admission standards at NW? Just bc some kid is a stud both in the classroom and on the field doesn't mean schools with easier entrance requirements aren't going to offer. The fact is it's harder to get into NW than it is Iowa. If you have a sub 30 ACT without damn near 4.0 guess what...you're not getting into NW. Those kinds of scores put you in the top 25 percentile at schools like Iowa. NW has no tradition. None. In fact until recently, and a few years under Barnett the cheater, NW has been complete garbage. They play on a Jr High field 40 minutes from anything even remotely cool in Chicago. Tell me again how it's easier to recruit to NW?
 


SheagleHawk said:
Yeah I don't think so. How does who else has offered NW recruits have anything to do with admission standards at NW? Just bc some kid is a stud both in the classroom and on the field doesn't mean schools with easier entrance requirements aren't going to offer. The fact is it's harder to get into NW than it is Iowa. If you have a sub 30 ACT without damn near 4.0 guess what...you're not getting into NW. Those kinds of scores put you in the top 25 percentile at schools like Iowa. NW has no tradition. None. In fact until recently, and a few years under Barnett the cheater, NW has been complete garbage. They play on a Jr High field 40 minutes from anything even remotely cool in Chicago. Tell me again how it's easier to recruit to NW?
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Stanford has high academic standards as does Notre Dame and others. Iowa isn’t easy to get into either.

The point is, this isn’t 1980s Northwestern. They recruit better now than they ever have and compete with other top Big Ten teams for talent. Heck, they recruit better than Illinois, Purdue, Rutgers and Indiana.
 


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