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HawkeyeWalker

HawkeyeWalker

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There are 2-3 teams in the B1G that will Always and have always have more talent and depth than Iowa. OSU, Mich, PSU(minus sanctions). We have had success against a couple of these teams. Parity is happening between the perceived "lower" tier programs and mid tier programs. But overall...the top 5% of teams still have a sizable advantage overall in both talent and depth. The top 5% will stay that way...with a little ebb and flow of variance.

Its kind of akin to the socioeconomics of our country.

7-8 wins on the norm...with occaisional "magic" is where I want my Hawks...which I believe would pit them in the upper portion of the mid tier. Expecting more...well...is...say...optimistic.
 


a relatively easy non-conf schedule plus .500 in the Big Ten should be the baseline for this program. That's 7 or 8 wins every year.
 


hawkdrummer1 said:
a relatively easy non-conf schedule plus .500 in the Big Ten should be the baseline for this program. That's 7 or 8 wins every year.
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Agreed. Outside if a rare 6 win rebuild season...we should be 7+. If we aren't back there next season...I'm all for starting the change process.
 


Yes, I think Iowa should win at minimum 7 regular season games a year 9 out of 10 years (I'll allow for the one crappy season where people get hurt and everything goes wrong)
 


8. Non cons and home games should almost always be a game in which odds are with you. If not the upper tier is out of reach.
 


HawkeyeWalker said:
Agreed. Outside if a rare 6 win rebuild season...we should be 7+. If we aren't back there next season...I'm all for starting the change process.
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He's fortunate that he has a young quarterback that has shown promise and a fairly young roster. I think he needs 7 wins to save his job and more than that to really keep the fans off his back.

Replacing 3 senior linebackers won't be easy. Other than that and BJ, pretty much everything else of consequence returns. Lots of upperclassmen next year, no more excuses.
 


olddude said:
8. Non cons and home games should almost always be a game in which odds are with you. If not the upper tier is out of reach.
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It's been very rare, if ever that a coach has even come close to getting 8 wins (or the equivalent for eras where they played less games) every year. Even Fry in his heyday had seasons where he won 5 or 6 games.

I believe the benchmark should be a winning record just about every year with occasional seasons where they challenge for a conference championship.
 


Clark said:
It's been very rare, if ever that a coach has even come close to getting 8 wins (or the equivalent for eras where they played less games) every year. Even Fry in his heyday had seasons where he won 5 or 6 games.

I believe the benchmark should be a winning record just about every year with occasional seasons where they challenge for a conference championship.
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bo knows. Infact there are many programs trying to break the rock into the talk that get 8 or more most years.
 


olddude said:
bo knows. Infact there are many programs trying to break the rock into the talk that get 8 or more most years.
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Bolded the important part of your post. Most years. Not every year. Most years.

8 wins most years is a reasonable expectation. 8 wins every year isn't going to happen.
 


Well ofcourse. To many factors in the game to ever say every year. I did not mean to imply every year. Most, yes. Just like the wins, 7 or 8 years out pf 10, should be the target for 8 wins.
 


Clark said:
Bolded the important part of your post. Most years. Not every year. Most years.

8 wins most years is a reasonable expectation. 8 wins every year isn't going to happen.
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I'm assuming you mean without a bowl game?

2010- 7-5
2011- 7-5
2012- 4-8
2013- 6-6? 5-7?

Fair to say since the great 2009 season we have been below what seems to be reasonable expectations?
 


HawkeyeWalker said:
There are 2-3 teams in the B1G that will Always and have always have more talent and depth than Iowa. OSU, Mich, PSU(minus sanctions). We have had success against a couple of these teams. Parity is happening between the perceived "lower" tier programs and mid tier programs. But overall...the top 5% of teams still have a sizable advantage overall in both talent and depth. The top 5% will stay that way...with a little ebb and flow of variance.

Its kind of akin to the socioeconomics of our country.

7-8 wins on the norm...with occaisional "magic" is where I want my Hawks...which I believe would pit them in the upper portion of the mid tier. Expecting more...well...is...say...optimistic.
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Generally I agree with that assessment. That 7-8 wins seems to be an average rather than sea level. The hawks have swings up and below the 8 win mark. Now we're below...hopefully on the way back up... Program has made a big shift with GD versus KOK.

It bothers me that - right now - it looks like Wisconsin, MSU and Northwestern have passed Iowa by and taken hold of the contender status while Iowa has sagged.

When Iowa was in the 10 win zone I figured they would stay near there with a low of 8 wins. History has shown me to be wrong about that. I wonder if the Athletic department has strong feelings about a X number of wins as a floor.
 


DJL said:
I'm assuming you mean without a bowl game?

2010- 7-5
2011- 7-5
2012- 4-8
2013- 6-6? 5-7?

Fair to say since the great 2009 season we have been below what seems to be reasonable expectations?
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for me, it's seven wins without including the bowl game. I'm not going to punish/reward a coach for consistently playing in better bowl games than he deserves because of fan support.

The 2010 and 2011 met minimum expectations for me and last year certainly didn't. I guess we'll find out how the season plays out on this year.
 


Clark said:
for me, it's seven wins without including the bowl game. I'm not going to punish/reward a coach for consistently playing in better bowl games than he deserves because of fan support.

The 2010 and 2011 met minimum expectations for me and last year certainly didn't. I guess we'll find out how the season plays out on this year.
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With the talent we had in 2010, we really should have won more games. Lots of heart breakers that year.
 


I am starting to think that the KF era may be coming to an end. Everyone talks about how the schedule lightens up in the 2014 season, if you think about it the schedule has been pretty favorable since the 2009 season and for whatever reason they couldn't take advantage of it. Even this year the schedule set up for an 5-1/6-0 start. At this point, I really do not see what changes that makes me think that it will be any better than a 7-5 campaign in 2014.
 


DJL said:
I'm assuming you mean without a bowl game?

'12 and '13...yes. '10 seemed a disappointment for the talent. Otherwise we've been about where I expect.
2010- 7-5
2011- 7-5
2012- 4-8
2013- 6-6? 5-7?

Fair to say since the great 2009 season we have been below what seems to be reasonable expectations?
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DJL said:
With the talent we had in 2010, we really should have won more games. Lots of heart breakers that year.
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Agreed...that was a rare year I expected 9+. An argument could be said that we lost the close games in '10...that we won in '09.
 




DJL said:
With the talent we had in 2010, we really should have won more games. Lots of heart breakers that year.
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Yep, that was a 10-2 (or better) team that went 7-5. That was a year where 7-8 wins really was not acceptable. But I generally agree with the OP here, that 7-8 wins REGULAR SEASON should be the expected "minimum".

3-1 or 4-0 against the non-conference, and roughly 4-4/5-3 in conference, for a range of anywhere from 7-5 to 9-3 is where I'd like to see this program. Obviously 12-0 would great, but realistically, what I just laid out is where I think this program could, and should, be.

Again, as has been said already, that is MOST years. Not every year. Just what I think should be typical.
 


People are forgetting the realities of the 2010 season if they think the 2010 team should have won ten games. If they would have stayed healthy I would say yeah but the linebackers were injured and not very good all year. The injuries on the line killed the team the second part of the season.
 


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