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HomerChampless said:
Iowa can't get some 'dynamite recruits' to stay because KF's system isn't sexy. If you lament the lack of 'dynamite recruits' at Iowa, maybe you should consider a different system for Iowa...
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Maybe it is now happening with new coaches being hired the last two years.
 








hawkeyebob62 said:
Yes.

He gets as much as he can out of his teams. When they are overmatched, they are still competitive. When they are "young", they play the game plan Kirk wants them to play, not what "might" work, i.e., he doesn't veer from scheme to scheme throwing crap at a wall waiting to see where it will stick.

Could he "step on the throat" more when our teams are the "goliath"? Perhaps. I'm not sure doing that makes one a better game day coach. I imagine it COULD create ill will among the coaching fraternity, and a coach still has to look at a mirror.

Should we lose to MAC schools? No. Does doing so make one a "bad" game day coach? We aren't the first team to lose to a MAC school, nor will we be the last. And we sure haven't lost to an FCS school in recent memory a la Michigan.

I guess, IMO, the better question is, simply, "Is he a good coach?". The phrase "game day coach" was invented by people who don't understand what actually happens in a game, and that what DOES happen in a game is only a part of what the "coach" does versus the players, the opponent, etc. Or you could go extreme and say, "Is he a good first down coach? What about second down? Is he a good special teams coach?"

One merely need wait a few games to see the thread dedicated to what a crappy coach he is regarding the coin toss or whether to take the ball first, defer, etc.

If you're REALLY saying, "He's a bad game day coach", you're saying he's a bad coach. Period.
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Coaching is teaching. Ferentz does that extremely well and has the stats to prove it, as he routinely (not as much lately) sent those "diamond in the rough" type recruits on to greener pastures in the NFL. However, there is a compartmentalization between what is done Sunday to Friday compared to what is done on Saturday. We can name it whatever we'd like to call it, but if KF did his Saturday job as well as he did his Sunday-Friday job, I don't think we're having this discussion.
 


HomerChampless said:
Iowa can't get some 'dynamite recruits' to stay because KF's system isn't sexy. If you lament the lack of 'dynamite recruits' at Iowa, maybe you should consider a different system for Iowa...
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Exactly, they end up going to "sexy" systems ! like Stanford, and Alabama, and Notre Dame, and LSU, and USC.....who all run a Pro Style offense(or something very close)...just like....yep.
 




HomerChampless said:
Iowa can't get some 'dynamite recruits' to stay because KF's system isn't sexy. If you lament the lack of 'dynamite recruits' at Iowa, maybe you should consider a different system for Iowa...
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I wonder if these recruits would view winning and going to the NFL as being sexy. If only KirFer had a history of doing either if those things, then maybe those recruits would find Iowa a "sexy" place to go. Ho hum.
 




I've come to the conclusion that there is a segment of Hawkeye fans (maybe a segment of fans for all teams) who will find something to complain about regardless of the situation. If Iowa was consistently winning 8-12 games every year I'm convinced some people would adjust their expectations, and then proceed to find something to complain about. Well we should have won two more games, or we should have used a timeout, or we shouldn't have called that play, or we were being too conservative, or too aggressive, or too lazy, or this player should have been playing instead of this player... It's always gonna be something.

When KF won 11 games at Iowa (something that had never been done before if I recall correctly) some people weren't satisfied with that. I understand it's only natural to play the "what if" game, but to actually find yourself as a Hawkeye fan complaining about something during an 11 win season is pretty funny considering the history of Iowa football.

I'd like to think that a couple 10 win seasons would shut some people up, but I honestly don't think that's the case. They will come out and claim that they would shut up, but I wouldn't buy it. Why? Because some people just prefer to live life complaining. Everyone of us knows people like that in our real lives so I suppose it's only natural to find people like that on message boards. It is what it is.
 
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FreedComanche said:
Well, isn't this year 2 of that different system? Kf did change the system.

FreedComanche
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Consider a different HC who doesn't have such an ultra-conservative system, because if KF changes systems, it's still going to be an ultra-conservative system, and the dynamite recruits still won't come. BTW, Sabans' system at Alabama isn't ultra-conservative. Alabama's DBs play press defense more than Iowa.
 


tubahawk said:
Because when I look around at all the coaches and programs in the NCAA I would want my son to play/learn from the program being ran by KF.
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They (maybe you as well) said that about Lee Corso when he coached at Indiana. I'm guessing Corso was lucky to have a .400 career record at Indiana.
 


Eda said:
I wonder if these recruits would view winning and going to the NFL as being sexy. If only KirFer had a history of doing either if those things, then maybe those recruits would find Iowa a "sexy" place to go. Ho hum.
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Huh? What's your point? I don't follow.
 


HomerChampless said:
They (maybe you as well) said that about Lee Corso when he coached at Indiana. I'm guessing Corso was lucky to have a .400 career record at Indiana.
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See, KF is miles ahead of Lee. Maybe KF will get a gig on College Game Day in 8 years whens he's done at Iowa. It would be dynamic.
 




hawkfan2679 said:
Coaching is teaching. Ferentz does that extremely well and has the stats to prove it, as he routinely (not as much lately) sent those "diamond in the rough" type recruits on to greener pastures in the NFL. However, there is a compartmentalization between what is done Sunday to Friday compared to what is done on Saturday. We can name it whatever we'd like to call it, but if KF did his Saturday job as well as he did his Sunday-Friday job, I don't think we're having this discussion.
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I submit he wouldn't HAVE a Saturday job without the rest of the week and what it entails.

Again, this crap of "game day coach" is ludicrous.
 


DP5555 said:
I've come to the conclusion that there is a segment of Hawkeye fans (maybe a segment of fans for all teams) who will find something to complain about regardless of the situation. If Iowa was consistently winning 8-12 games every year I'm convinced some people would adjust their expectations, and then proceed to find something to complain about. Well we should have won two more games, or we should have used a timeout, or we shouldn't have called that play, or we were being too conservative, or too aggressive, or too lazy, or this player should have been playing instead of this player... It's always gonna be something.

When KF won 11 games at Iowa (something that had never been done before if I recall correctly) some people weren't satisfied with that. I understand it's only natural to play the "what if" game, but to actually find yourself as a Hawkeye fan complaining about something during an 11 win season is pretty funny considering the history of Iowa football.

I'd like to think that a couple 10 win seasons would shut some people up, but I honestly don't think that's the case. They will come out and claim that they would shut up, but I wouldn't buy it. Why? Because some people just prefer to live life complaining. Everyone of us knows people like that in our real lives so I suppose it's only natural to find people like that on message boards. It is what it is.
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You mean like people ******** (after DJK and his twit....er..."tweet") about the play call against NW when Stanzi got injured? Or the decision to "not lose" at OSU? Or even the more moronic who said, after the OSU game, that JVB might just be a better QB than Stanzi?

Or folks that say "injuries are a part of every team" when we lose our two best OL within a series? Or, worst of all, those who will actually point out times we got "lucky" with clock management, "bad" penalties on opponents or "missed" penalties on us?

Dude, I think you're wrong :)
 


DP5555 said:
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I'd like to think that a couple 10 win seasons would shut some people up, but I honestly don't think that's the case.
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The bolded would satisfy me, but it ain't gonna happen any time soon at Iowa 'cause most offenses of the B1G use more passing and lots more athleticism than the old-timey days (up to the 2007 season), and Iowa's defense is unable to handle these changes. Iowa's offense doesn't have any 'quick strike' abilities (even in years past when Iowa have some athletes capable of executing the quick strike) because KF doesn't want the offense to turn the ball over. The rest of your post, DP5s, is just rhetoric. Don't think you've any facts, there.
 
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HomerChampless said:
The bolded would satisfy me, but it ain't gonna happen any time soon at Iowa 'cause most offenses of the B1G use more passing and lots of athleticism than the old-timey days (up to the 2007 season), and Iowa's defense is unable to handle these changes. Iowa's offense doesn't have any 'quick strike' abilities (even in years past when Iowa have some athletes capable of executing the quick strike) because KF doesn't want the offense to turn the ball over. The rest of your post, DP5s, is just rhetoric. Don't think you've got any facts, there.
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Yeah, no quick strikes at Iowa. Like numerous times Stanzi going deep to Brodell, DJK or McNutt. Like JVB going deep to KD against MSU. JVB in the 4th quarter of the 2011 Pitt game.

We get it. You know your football, we're just idiots who love our ultra-conservative coach.
 


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