Section136
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I dont recall a time that KF ever called an offensive or defensive play.
Correct me if I am wrong though.
Mandel calls KF One of Five Worst
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I dont recall a time that KF ever called an offensive or defensive play.
Correct me if I am wrong though.
Section136
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So now you are changing the criteria? Earlier in the thread is was all about wins. Now its about wins combined with the number of NFL players each program produces?
OUTofTOWNHAWK
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How would you know? Unless you have a headset on there is no way to tell. Even if you dont believe he does saying never is a little out there.
OUTofTOWNHAWK
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How do you people judge coaches? We alway hear you have to wash KF first couple of years because those werent his players and there was no talent. Yes when judging coaches you have to take into consideration what the school has for them, what players they have, who the school plays and KF loses with more talent than most.
Section136
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Im not disagreeing with your point in this post. However, you are the one who wanted to use wins earlier and now it all changes when people point out that there are several other programs with fewer wins over the last few wins than the Hawkeyes.
HomerChampless
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That pretty much sums up Iowa's fan base.
HomerChampless
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How do you judge a coach that has numerous players drafted into the NFL, but has a mediocre college record? Unable to utilize the talent of the team? Maybe he should coach in the NFL?
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Homer, this is all personal preference in regards to how you view a coach. You seem to hang your hat on Ferentz because of his players that were drafted into the NFL, others care more about wins.
Who is right and who is wrong. Well it comes down to opinions so obviously you and OoTH aren't going to agree. I happen to agree with OoTH that wins are more important than players drafted into the NFL. However, I do think that Ferentz running a clean program is important as well.
OUTofTOWNHAWK
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I would judge on how good of a coach somebody is by how many wins they get with what they have. I dont know any other way to compare all the D1 coaches.
Now there are things you could look at and take wins out of the picture and say KF runs a good program. However running a good program does not mean he is a good or even average coach.
OUTofTOWNHAWK
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False it makes you and Iowa look silly. Are they on a level playing field with those teams?
HawkeyeWalker
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Subjective
Situationally Fluid Situation - will change yearly
Inciteful (not so much insightful)
Undefined in criteria
Inconsistant
KF is the CEO, and the company hasn't been doing well, underperformed in years with great talent, lost to teams he should very very rarely lose to...if ever, seemingly overconservative at times, and there have been a few (3-5) end of game/halftime/OT decisions that are all but impossible to defend.
Great developer of talent, gets the most out of the talent level, many times has done more with less than most, by all accounts a great guy to play/work for, loyal(to a fault at times), highly respected in his field on all levels(by all accounts), massively respected by current and former players(and no, this is not always the case at all schools), while conservative - has historically played up against talent in bowls - and done well (this is where conservative theory executed well pays off).
All in all, probably too much love in the great years, too much heat in bad seasons and too high of expectation in most of the season in between (success/failure and the terms in which it is measured in will always be based on the preceeding expectations for the season)
Maybe he was a top five coach a few times, maybe he wasn't....but he is not, nor has he ever been, a bottom 5 coach.....or IN MY OPINION even a bottom 30 to 40 coach when using ALL measurable criteria, and using a multi year sample as the control.
You wanna use W/L ratio while citing salary (tough to argue).
Subjective................Sounds a lot like a message board......
Situationally Fluid Situation - will change yearly
Inciteful (not so much insightful)
Undefined in criteria
Inconsistant
KF is the CEO, and the company hasn't been doing well, underperformed in years with great talent, lost to teams he should very very rarely lose to...if ever, seemingly overconservative at times, and there have been a few (3-5) end of game/halftime/OT decisions that are all but impossible to defend.
Great developer of talent, gets the most out of the talent level, many times has done more with less than most, by all accounts a great guy to play/work for, loyal(to a fault at times), highly respected in his field on all levels(by all accounts), massively respected by current and former players(and no, this is not always the case at all schools), while conservative - has historically played up against talent in bowls - and done well (this is where conservative theory executed well pays off).
All in all, probably too much love in the great years, too much heat in bad seasons and too high of expectation in most of the season in between (success/failure and the terms in which it is measured in will always be based on the preceeding expectations for the season)
Maybe he was a top five coach a few times, maybe he wasn't....but he is not, nor has he ever been, a bottom 5 coach.....or IN MY OPINION even a bottom 30 to 40 coach when using ALL measurable criteria, and using a multi year sample as the control.
You wanna use W/L ratio while citing salary (tough to argue).
Subjective................Sounds a lot like a message board......
HomerChampless
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It comes down to more wins and less losses... duh.
HomerChampless
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Francis X. Lauterbur ran a clean program (as far a we know). How did you like him with his one win?
OUTofTOWNHAWK
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Im friendly to most people but I dont know who that is. Homer correct me if Im wrong but arent we in agreement?
okeefe4prez
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Ferentz admitted to calling the end around pass play with DD as the passer in the 2006 Alamo Bowl that went for a giant loss. We had a converted QB as a WR on the roster and instead of using him to run the play, Kurt chose Dougie Fresh. That lone play (along with the blown call on the TD pass that was called back) prolly cost us that game.
But irregardless, can I make a quick request of all Iowa fans? Please unwad your panties. These guys like Mandel and Dodd just bash Iowa because they know that the more insecure sectors of our fanbase just can't resist clicking and posting hundreds of mouthbreathing, drool covered comments every time they lob one of these stinkbombs out there. I mean, ghost rolls in nyah and everyone knows they're getting trolled, but Dodd, Mandel and others troll the fanbase all the time and the fanbase is just completely oblivious to it.
Section136
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hawkdrummer1
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As another poster put it...how would you know?
No matter... the OC calls the kind of game that the KFz wants him to. the HC shapes the bigger game plan. And you don't have to watch many football games to know who calls the timeouts and "manages" the game on 95% of the sidelines. It's the Head Coach.
Hawknick
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There was a scandal involving defensive coordinator Ducky Lewis being profane in public. This led to the end for both of then at Iowa. I don't want that to happen again.
DP5555
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Thanks to Walker and OK4P for adding some perspective to the conversation. As Ferentz always says, "It's never as good as it seems, and it's never as bad as it seems".
It's the off-season. It's no secret to sports reporters that Iowa fans have a rabid fanbase. Mandel probably had a dozen other coaches he could have put in Ferentz's spot, but he knew they wouldn't generate as much buzz so he made the lightning rod pick. Jon's cover story sums up very well how ignorant some of Mandel's points are. He uses past records to make his point, but says his rankings are about this year. Oh and he conveniently tries to leave out the year they went 11-2 and won the Orange Bowl when trying to make his point. Then he claims the rankings are strictly about coaching ability, but continues to mention Ferentz's salary.
It's a BS article meant to get as many views as possible. People need to realize this and let it go. If anything, it just shows you what kind of dbag Mandel is for stooping to this type of crap in order to hype up his article.
It's the off-season. It's no secret to sports reporters that Iowa fans have a rabid fanbase. Mandel probably had a dozen other coaches he could have put in Ferentz's spot, but he knew they wouldn't generate as much buzz so he made the lightning rod pick. Jon's cover story sums up very well how ignorant some of Mandel's points are. He uses past records to make his point, but says his rankings are about this year. Oh and he conveniently tries to leave out the year they went 11-2 and won the Orange Bowl when trying to make his point. Then he claims the rankings are strictly about coaching ability, but continues to mention Ferentz's salary.
It's a BS article meant to get as many views as possible. People need to realize this and let it go. If anything, it just shows you what kind of dbag Mandel is for stooping to this type of crap in order to hype up his article.
