Do we want Iowa State to win tonight?

Wassabbe

Wassabbe

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Most times the answer is "never"

If they lose, it opens up a spot in the dance. One that we could hopefully fill

If they win though, their RPI improves and our win over them looks better and helps our struggling RPI
 


Wassabbe said:
Most times the answer is "never"

If they lose, it opens up a spot in the dance. One that we could hopefully fill

If they win though, their RPI improves and our win over them looks better and helps our struggling RPI
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I think we need then to lose and move themselves out of consideration. We need other bubble teams to start losing down the stretch and Iowa needs 3 wins more.
 


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I think we want ISU to either lose out, or win out. I'd like to see them knock themselves off the bubble, but if they do win, we want them to beat West Virginia and do well in their conference tournament.
 


Hawkstrat said:
I think we want ISU to either lose out, or win out. I'd like to see them knock themselves off the bubble, but if they do win, we want them to beat West Virginia and do well in their conference tournament.
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I pick lose out. They are our competition now.
 


Hawkstrat said:
I think we want ISU to either lose out, or win out. I'd like to see them knock themselves off the bubble, but if they do win, we want them to beat West Virginia and do well in their conference tournament.
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Good point. A win tonight and a loss Saturday would hurt us. They'd still probably get in but their RPI would be the same.
 




We are fighting with them for 1 of about 8 bubble slots right now. I want them to lose to Okie St, lose @ WVU and then lose their 1st round game in the B12 tourney. That should be enough to put them out.
 


So dumb that it matters so much what a team that we beat in the beginning of the year does in its last 2 games of the year.
 


PCHawk said:
So dumb that it matters so much what a team that we beat in the beginning of the year does in its last 2 games of the year.
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But that's the way it works because of the RPI. It doesn't discriminate between games that were played in November or December, or March. Whether you think it's dumb or not, it's a fact of life.

That said, we need as many bubble spots open as possible. So if ISU loses out, that would help the Hawks. That said, them winning out wive give us a bit of an RPI bump. So am not sure which situation is better.. I'm inclined to think one more available slot is more beneficial to us than an RPI bump of 2-3 spots in the poll would be. Then again, if ISU's RPI drops to the 60's, is their resume really any worse than ours? They could still conceivably beat us out for a spot. Talk about confusing!

As someone else said, worst case scenario is that ISU beats OSU tonight, and then loses to WVU. They still probably get in the tournament, but they remain outside the RPI Top 50, so that's a double whammy for us.
 


Honestly ISU is at the top of the bubble, in on most brackets right now. Iowa is not even in the next four out right now. The ISU game really doesn't matter very much except for ISU. If they win, they go to virtual lock, if they lose, they are still probably near the top of the bubble because they are playing a top 25 (by all measurements) team and it doesn't hurt them at all except in the loss column which doesn't matter to the committee. This is the competition right now:

FIRST FOUR OUT
Kentucky (moves up one spot)
Ole Miss (moves up two spots)
Maryland (replaces Southern Miss)
Alabama (drops three spots)

NEXT FOUR OUT
Southern Miss (falls from "First Four" to "Next Four" out)
Baylor
Arizona State
Providence (replaces Arkansas)
 


I look at it as, if they win out, we have another top 50 win. Which is more important, to boost our resume or to have another team we don't have to jump? Not sure of the answer.

Another game to watch is the VT-WF game on Sunday. A win for VT would put them in the top 150 (according to rpiforecast.com), so that would take care of that as well.
 


Here is the bubble according to Lunardi's post this morning:

[h=3]The bubble (15 teams for six spots)[/h]IN (six, in S-curve order):
45. La Salle, 46. Boise State, 47. Iowa State, 50. Temple, 51. Villanova, 52. Tennessee
OUT (nine, in S-curve order):
69. Kentucky, 70. Ole Miss, 71. Maryland, 72. Alabama, 73. Southern Miss, 74. Baylor, 75. Arizona State, 76. Providence, 77. Iowa
 




I want ISU to lose their next 3 and play in the NIT. If they win tonight then I want them to win at least 4 in a row so they are at least doing us some good...whether they like it or not.

What I really want is for Wisconsin to win out and get the 2 seed. I want Ohio State to beat Illinois and get the 3 seed. I want Indiana to beat Michigan and get the 1 seed and put Michigan and Michigan State on their side of the bracket. If we can't win our way into the tournament against Nebraska, NW or Nebraska (Round 1), Wisconsin or Ohio State (Round 2) and Wisconsin or Ohio State (Round 3) then we probably should host some NIT games. Note - We may only need that Round 2 win but I'm not taking any chances.
 


1977Hawkeye said:
But that's the way it works because of the RPI. It doesn't discriminate between games that were played in November or December, or March. Whether you think it's dumb or not, it's a fact of life.

That said, we need as many bubble spots open as possible. So if ISU loses out, that would help the Hawks. That said, them winning out wive give us a bit of an RPI bump. So am not sure which situation is better.. I'm inclined to think one more available slot is more beneficial to us than an RPI bump of 2-3 spots in the poll would be. Then again, if ISU's RPI drops to the 60's, is their resume really any worse than ours? They could still conceivably beat us out for a spot. Talk about confusing!

As someone else said, worst case scenario is that ISU beats OSU tonight, and then loses to WVU. They still probably get in the tournament, but they remain outside the RPI Top 50, so that's a double whammy for us.
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Whether its a fact of life or not its dumb.
 






Why would tonight be any different than every other night? I want the clones to lose, and lose badly.
 


Real Hawk fans don't like Iowa State. It is an impossibility.
 


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