Yeah they have completely different roles on their teams. Craft's a tremendous defender and an average at best offensive player. Hulls is an average at best defender and a tremendous shooter. Not my fault you tried to make a ****** comparison.
White not enough touches in 2nd half, Marble to many?
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Yeah they have completely different roles on their teams. Craft's a tremendous defender and an average at best offensive player. Hulls is an average at best defender and a tremendous shooter. Not my fault you tried to make a ****** comparison.
sportstalent
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Hulls and Craft don't play the same position as another poster said.
Hulls is a defensive liability for the Hoosiers, but Craft is by no means an offensive weapon. In their match ups last season, Craft did nothing to prove he was a better player head to head.
I can't say that I think Craft is a better leader than Hulls, given Hulls is a leader for the IU team and has had far more adversity in his career than Craft. We will see though as the season progresses, I don't feel and have never felt Craft is a leader, he plays the position to be one, but have never been that impressed with his leadership.
tm3308
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To be fair to Craft, though, he's played with some other guys who took that mantle upon themselves. OSU hasn't just been a one-and-done factory where the underclassmen have to be leaders.
They play different positions and have wildly different roles, both equally important to their team's success. When Hulls isn't hitting, it can clog things up for the Indiana offense. Obviously, Craft's defensive ability is a huge asset. Who the better player is depends on what you're looking for.
AZHAWKFAN1
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I'm looking for honest commentary about the Hawks, but Herby/Redhawk is no where to be found! Was he put in the boo-boo tent again?????
Tmoney12
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Yes. Happy new year
GhostofBTT
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I think AZ here is trying to pick up Herby's baton and run with it.
He's got it all. Wrong opinions defiantly expressed. Lashing out at anyone with even modest criticism. Barely coherant most of the time.
hawkdrummer1
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I love Dev...but I think this team leans too much on him. Almost an NBA-like mentality when he gets the ball.
AZHAWKFAN1
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Wrong Ghost! I was back in Iowa for the holidays and missed the banning! Just having a little fun with it!
tm3308
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Last night, this was especially true. I like Devyn, he's a good player. But he is not going to break down Oladipo on isolation. But that's what they seemed to keep waiting for him to do, particularly in the first half.
sportstalent
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Iowa is at its best when their assists come close to equaling the number of FG's, they are most effective moving the ball quickly and not dribbling on the perimeter.
ddiction
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If you're a good shooter, as Marble is, you keep shooting no matter whether you're hot or cold. Streaks are an illusion. Several studies have been done that show the distribution of makes and misses of actual basketball players to have no more or fewer streaks than purely random simulations based on the shooters' FG%. Fans want to believe in streaks because they're fun and they like to romanticize the effects of confidence and mental toughness, but the fact of the matter is that every shot is independent of how you've performed in the game thus far.
sportstalent
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ddiction;1023373[B said:
I would agree with you on that if Marble has been a guy that has proven he is simply a shot maker. What made Iowa dangerous last year is when Marble was a facilitator when he wasn't a shot maker.
Marble looked uncomfortable yesterday and it isn't surprising when you have Oladipo and Watford on you, both guys are better than average defenders. Marble got to line, but looked lost when he was wide open, but again understandable.
ddiction
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Last year Marble was a point guard. This year he's a wing. His job this year is to get open and create. It's the job of the point guards to distribute. I thought Marble had as many or more open looks vs. Indiana than he had against most other teams this year. Frankly, I thought Marble took better shots than most of the players on the team. They just didn't fall. It happens.
sportstalent
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Agree, but he did force some things in the lane and missed open guys, look his game would be less noticed if he hits the wide open jumpers.
Not having that old reliable shooter like he had with Gatens probably caused those forced shots in traffic, other times he got fouled and those were not bad shots.
Marble wasn't awful, he just missed open shots and on a couple he looked hesitant, he just can't do that. If Marble is going to be the guy Iowa relies on, he has to hit the wide open ones, if not create with the dribble and find the open guy. He can't change who he is overnight, he still needs to think like a PG at times, it won't hurt his game. When he is a "stat sheet stuffer" Iowa is better for it.
Gesell took some good shots, just didn't get enough shots. White took good shots, but I didn't think he was strong enough going to the hoop. Woodbury took good shots, he was playing a million miles an hour.
Actually, I thought Iowa only had a few bad shots, the worst ones coming late in the game, blame what you want, but Iowa wasn't moving the ball very well for most of the game. Early in the 2nd half they did, but all that good ball movement went away in crunch time and it is just not how this roster is built at this point.
I believe this topic is a flawed one. These two players are so different in how they score that it doesn't work.
Marble - he is a scorer (he is not a shooter). He is an ok shooter but he is a scorer. He needs the ball in his hands on the wing and then creates for himself or others. He created a lot of open looks but the shots didn't fall. It happens I don't recal many bad shots out of the 14 but he did miss some opportunities to find others but indiana keyed on him which makes it hard (and they are the most athletic team to pressure him so far). He will step up in the next games cause this will have acclimated him to the b1g for the yr and how they defense the top scorer.
White - is a 2nd option or put back scorer. He needs someone to create his shot or get a rebound put back. These are not the type of guys you typically call plays for at the end of games because when things go wrong they won't be able to make things happen for themselves.
At the end of games I think there are 2 guys that should have the ball marble and gesell. They are scorers that can do both things at the end create shots for themselves and others.
Indiana has something very few teams have a legit shutdown defender who can guard multiple positions (oladipo). He can take the 1-4 and even small 5s and match up because of his athleticism. We will figure out what went wrong and how to counter a guy like him. Other than his defense we had their number and just didn't get the job done. We pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and go back and do it again.
Marble - he is a scorer (he is not a shooter). He is an ok shooter but he is a scorer. He needs the ball in his hands on the wing and then creates for himself or others. He created a lot of open looks but the shots didn't fall. It happens I don't recal many bad shots out of the 14 but he did miss some opportunities to find others but indiana keyed on him which makes it hard (and they are the most athletic team to pressure him so far). He will step up in the next games cause this will have acclimated him to the b1g for the yr and how they defense the top scorer.
White - is a 2nd option or put back scorer. He needs someone to create his shot or get a rebound put back. These are not the type of guys you typically call plays for at the end of games because when things go wrong they won't be able to make things happen for themselves.
At the end of games I think there are 2 guys that should have the ball marble and gesell. They are scorers that can do both things at the end create shots for themselves and others.
Indiana has something very few teams have a legit shutdown defender who can guard multiple positions (oladipo). He can take the 1-4 and even small 5s and match up because of his athleticism. We will figure out what went wrong and how to counter a guy like him. Other than his defense we had their number and just didn't get the job done. We pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and go back and do it again.
RocknRollface
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Not sure the team is trying to lean on him, seems more like hes trying to get them to when its unnecessary and inefficient.
To me it often looks like Marble is playing his own game while the other 4 starters are more on the same page.
RocknRollface
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That may be statistically true. But anyone whos played the game knows that when you're on you are most certainly on and when you're off you're off.
Most times its in between.
Being a streaky shooter is a real thing. Your physical motion is a variable and does change.
Physical motion is one variable...mental confidence is a second variable...the defense is a third variable...pressure of in-game situation would be a fourth variable...all together they create a make or a miss.
Statistics show what you have done. They don't show streaks which do happen. He is over simplifying the concepts involved in the statistics.
tm3308
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That wasn't the case at all last night. The whole first half, the offense was trying to find the book. Lots of standing around and looking at each other.
