He was unemployed when K-State hired him, they did not hire him away from Illinois. Seriously, just stick to football, you're good at that. Your shtick just doesn't work the same for basketball.
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He was unemployed when K-State hired him, they did not hire him away from Illinois. Seriously, just stick to football, you're good at that. Your shtick just doesn't work the same for basketball.
sportstalent
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Because Iowa can go the NCAA tournament.
It's sad to see OK4P struggle like this. I've tried to tell him, his stuff just doesn't work for basketball but he just doesn't listen. I mean look at him in this thread, he's wrong, he's getting all butt hurt over it. No one wants to see OK4P like this.
atomicblue224
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They may be 7-0 but i rather have 1 chairslamming against 0 chairslamming alfraud
deanvogs
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Eapecially when he has to skip back two coaches to troll. Why not just troll about Lute leaving, as it is just about as relevant as trolling about Alford......
BrueCrew3
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I know I'll get flack for this, but Lick was NOT a bad coach. He just is not a good high major coach. I agree with the above in that he was in WAY over his head from day 1 and that it was a bad hire. When he got the Butler job, he inherited a program that was already built. He came to Iowa where there was little talent. He didn't know how to rebuild.
That's where Fran is the better coach. He knows how to rebuild a program. He's done at three different schools and is doing it again at Iowa. This freshmen class is going to put Iowa back on the basketball map and players will start looking at Iowa.
As for Fran leaving anytime soon, I think he'll stick around. There are really only two schools I see him leaving for and that would be Notre Dame or Minnesota. Iowa is a good fit for his family. They are relatively close to the Twin Cities where his wife is from.
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[h=2]Hate to bring this up[/h] You were right in your original statement.
HawkeyeGold
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OK4Prez-just wondering if you think that this is the year that we sweep Northwestern????
MisterLucky
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Two words....Northwestern State
I wasn't saying Fran WILL leave Iowa for a better job and Paul Rhoads wouldn't but it is POSSIBLE.
You mock me and call me names all you want but if Fran leaves for a better job then so be it but if he doesn't I will be glad to be wrong in that case.
Point being is that you think you are right with very little logic behind it, his age and Iowa's bball history isn't enough for me to agree with you.
It's called a difference of opinion, believe it or not what you stated is only an opinion not FACT.
MisterLucky
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Not sure why Coach McCaffery would even consider leaving. From everything he has said, he and Margaret love living in the Midwest and Iowa City in particular. Her family is close by. He has a decent contract, good facilities and has proven he can draw talented players to Iowa. He's coaching in one of, if not the highest profile conference in the country. What more could he want? I would really be surprised if he left for another job at his age and given the success he has started to achieve here. Maybe it's wishful thinking on my part, but I think he and Iowa are a perfect match.
So yeah that's a very longwinded way of saying you couldn't come up with an example.
Good job, good effort.
In basketball, Roy Williams was 50 when he left Kansas to go to UNC. Tubby Smith was 56 when he was hired at Minnesota.
In football Bill Synder was 69 when he was re-hired at K-state. Art Briles was 53 when he was hired at Baylor.
There are examples out there. I didn't say that it happens all the time.
I don't think you understand the concept of something being possible. You act is if Fran won't leave unless fired or retires, that logic doesn't make sense. M
aybe the odds of Fran leaving is less than Paul Rhoads leaving but we don't know for sure because you and I don't know either man or their families personally.
Tubby Smith left because he was going to be fired if he didn't voluntarily leave, if Fran leaves in a manner like that, well he obviously was struggling here. If Fran gets hired by a bluebood program, great, because that means Iowa basketball must be in terrific shape.
I know Tubby Smith left because he was going to get fired that is why I didn't list it as "left UNC for Minnesota". That would be the most pointless move for any coach, but in this case Tubby's hand was forced. His age is still relavent in this case though.
You are correct and I agree, if he leaves for a better program Iowa basketball will be in terrific shape. However I fear of who Gary Barta would replace him with. Hopefully Fran's success would make it a better job and more appealing program than Ferentz will leave the football coaching job and program.
sportstalent
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Roy Williams left Kansas to go to UNC, one of the truly elite programs and has won 2 NC's, plus he had all kinds of ties to go there, throw that example out given the scenario in which he left. It isn't like he was at Iowa State and went to UNC, he already had an elite job, but went to one where he had many more personal ties to and his ultimate dream job.
ST, Hawkfan33 was making the point that AGE is a factor in a coaches decision to move to another school. Maybe Fran has a "dream job", I don't think any of us know him personally enough to know that for sure.
sportstalent
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I know that, but I am just stating that Roy Williams isn't really the best example to cite.
As far as dream job, I think the Minnesota job was probably that given where his wife's family is from, but I could be wrong about that as well. I am really surprised Tubby has lasted this long.
Depending on how Minny does in conference this year he might be on an extremely hot seat by the end of the season.
