Zero defense played last night

Good win. That said, there were a few bad things. Hopefully it was because of the number of games we played, travel, etc... This team does not have a defensive stopper on the perimeter. May did a great job last year, Gatens the year before (how someone could say player development isn't there doesn't know basketball). I actually think we are missing Oglesby on both ends of the court; he's actually a decent defensive player. Marble's defense was very, very alarming to me last night. He couldn't keep anyone in front of him, and many times, in my opinion, it didn't look like he cared if he did. Maybe tired legs (I hope). It was just one game, but add to that the second half run to 'Nova, and we have a lot of work to do on the defensive end. Go Hawks!
 
We won. I'll take it. Notre Dame is a decent/good team. I'll take wins over decent/good teams any day.
 
Husky28 said:
Not true... Sherman scored the majority of his points against Woodbury and Olaseni... Technically, he only scored 11 of his 29 points in the 2nd half and even then I bet half of those were against AW and GO... Just saying.
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That's one player, ND scored 16 points in the last four minutes with the McCabe-White-Uthoff lineup in.
 
Interesting that when I think of a zero I don't think of last night's defense but rather the OP in this thread. Maybe it's just me.
 
Obviously didn't play D on Sherman who had a career high 29pts and did whatever he wanted inside and Atkins who had a season high 23pts. 4 for 5 from downtown but we won the game and have been scoring in bunches. It'll get there.
 
so, which former poster is the OP? good grief there are a lot of trolls out lately. is this all the same dude? Vinny trying to come back. Vinny, if it's you, just move on bud.
 
Maybe......just maybe, the OP thinks a little defense might come in handy in case we find ourself in another Villanova game. Kind of like how Nova clamped the defense down on us and came back to win that game.
Just a thought.
 
hawkfan33 said:
That's one player, ND scored 16 points in the last four minutes with the McCabe-White-Uthoff lineup in.
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Yes , they did, but only 4 points were in the perimeter (lay-ups). Let me break it down for you - they made:

1 - jump shot = 2 pts.
2 - 3 ptrs. = 6 pts.
2 - lay-ups = 4 pts
4 - free thrs. = 4 pts

Total = 16 pts.

Sherman (center) = 4
Atkins (guard) = 11 points
Jackson = 1

How and where would have AW & GO made a difference vs. McCabe, White & Uthoff?
 
lightning1 said:
Maybe......just maybe, the OP thinks a little defense might come in handy in case we find ourself in another Villanova game. Kind of like how Nova clamped the defense down on us and came back to win that game.
Just a thought.
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Jeebus you are stupid. Firstly, 'Nova scored 72 points in regulation. That's not bad, especially considering everything they were throwing up was going in. It wasn't "bad" defense on Iowa's part. Secondly, due to the trip Iowa had to of been a tired team last night.

Because we have one bad game of not playing solid defense like we usually do, you act like we're a terrible team defensively. Get a freaking clue man. Enjoy the win, and quit reaching for things to complain about.
 
Husky28 said:
Yes , they did, but only 4 points were in the perimeter (lay-ups). Let me break it down for you - they made:

1 - jump shot = 2 pts.
2 - 3 ptrs. = 6 pts.
2 - lay-ups = 4 pts
4 - free thrs. = 4 pts

Total = 16 pts.

Sherman (center) = 4
Atkins (guard) = 11 points
Jackson = 1

How and where would have AW & GO made a difference vs. McCabe, White & Uthoff?
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McCabe and Uthoff especially, are poor defenders, just watch Uthoff in the zone, he's consistently late getting over to guys, McCabe can be slow to rotate as well though I think he knows exactly where he needs to be most of the time, he just might not be quick enough to get there. White gambles a lot defensively and can take himself out of position. The three of them on the floor together make for a poor defensive front court.

Not sure what is difficult to understand about that, and just looking at layups is a poor way to evaluate their defense, a late close out leads to a guard getting into the lane which leads to another defender having to step up which leads to an open three, it all works together.
 
lightning1 said:
Maybe......just maybe, the OP thinks a little defense might come in handy in case we find ourself in another Villanova game. Kind of like how Nova clamped the defense down on us and came back to win that game.
Just a thought.
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That's exactly it. If the goal of this team is to win the conference (and I think it is) then the team has to be able to play defense when the shots aren't falling. Shooting 58% for a game and 88% from the FT line aren't statistics you can rely on every game (even at home).

I think this is a potential BIG champion, I really do but look at every Big Ten champion over the last 10-20 years, ALL of them were able to play really solid defense. The only one that wasn't a great defensive team was Indiana last year and then you're talking about a team with 2 Top 5 NBA draft picks AND senior leaders.

I'm not trying to be a bubble burst-er or negative Nelly, I'm just stating reality.

I also don't know how good Notre Dame is. If Iowa State hung 95 points on us, I'd say "ok" because you know they are going to score points, you expect that type of score. Traditionally Notre Dame hasn't been a high scoring team under Brey.

Scores are going to be higher this year with the new rules "emphasis" but defense is still going to be played. They aren't outlawing it.
 
Linesetter said:
That's exactly it. If the goal of this team is to win the conference (and I think it is) then the team has to be able to play defense when the shots aren't falling. Shooting 58% for a game and 88% from the FT line aren't statistics you can rely on every game (even at home).

I think this is a potential BIG champion, I really do but look at every Big Ten champion over the last 10-20 years, ALL of them were able to play really solid defense. The only one that wasn't a great defensive team was Indiana last year and then you're talking about a team with 2 Top 5 NBA draft picks AND senior leaders.

I'm not trying to be a bubble burst-er or negative Nelly, I'm just stating reality.

I also don't know how good Notre Dame is. If Iowa State hung 95 points on us, I'd say "ok" because you know they are going to score points, you expect that type of score. Traditionally Notre Dame hasn't been a high scoring team under Brey.

Scores are going to be higher this year with the new rules "emphasis" but defense is still going to be played. They aren't outlawing it.
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It's ONE game man. I don't think the lack of defense will turn into a trend. The last couple of seasons, we've been playing great defense. I've been pleased. And ND is averaging 85 PPG, that's good for 28th in the Nation. Remember, this was ONE game, so it hasn't become a trend yet. Some people need to step off the ledge, and get educated a little more.
 
Linesetter said:
That's exactly it. If the goal of this team is to win the conference (and I think it is) then the team has to be able to play defense when the shots aren't falling. Shooting 58% for a game and 88% from the FT line aren't statistics you can rely on every game (even at home).

I think this is a potential BIG champion, I really do but look at every Big Ten champion over the last 10-20 years, ALL of them were able to play really solid defense. The only one that wasn't a great defensive team was Indiana last year and then you're talking about a team with 2 Top 5 NBA draft picks AND senior leaders.

I'm not trying to be a bubble burst-er or negative Nelly, I'm just stating reality.

I also don't know how good Notre Dame is. If Iowa State hung 95 points on us, I'd say "ok" because you know they are going to score points, you expect that type of score. Traditionally Notre Dame hasn't been a high scoring team under Brey.

Scores are going to be higher this year with the new rules "emphasis" but defense is still going to be played. They aren't outlawing it.
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Maybe the new rules emphasis is having a bigger effect on our team than we thought it would? Or maybe we over-reacted to the 3pt barrage that Nova put on us and over-compensated. Which allowed that ND Center to kill us inside? It was nice to see us out-rebound ND after getting beat on the glass by Nova. Especially coming off a short turn-around between games.
 
hawkfan33 said:
McCabe and Uthoff especially, are poor defenders, just watch Uthoff in the zone, he's consistently late getting over to guys, McCabe can be slow to rotate as well though I think he knows exactly where he needs to be most of the time, he just might not be quick enough to get there. White gambles a lot defensively and can take himself out of position. The three of them on the floor together make for a poor defensive front court.

Not sure what is difficult to understand about that, and just looking at layups is a poor way to evaluate their defense, a late close out leads to a guard getting into the lane which leads to another defender having to step up which leads to an open three, it all works together.
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I understand exactly what you're saying... I'm trying to understand why thought AW and/or GO was better... which btw you have yet to answer the question I posed you. I see the same things you do, but as I said and have asked, WHY do you think AW and GO would be any better? That's where this started and it seems that YOU are having a hard time understanding that point OR are you trying to avoid answering the question?
 
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