Zach Johnson & Jason Dufner

[uihawk82]

It is also "standard practice" for if your playing partner moves his mark for you to remind him to move it back. My way to remember is to always mark "heads up", if I move my mark to put it "tails up" so when I go back to mark if I see tails, something isn't right.

In USGA or PGA tourney golf you can not give or ask your playing partners for any advice and if you do it is a penalty on you. You could probably say something very sly to remind them but I dont think you can say "that is an 8 iron shot", or "the grain is going to the right", etc

 

[busabus114]

In USGA or PGA tourney golf you can not give or ask your playing partners for any advice and if you do it is a penalty on you. You could probably say something very sly to remind them but I dont think you can say "that is an 8 iron shot", or "the grain is going to the right", etc

Telling him to move his mark back is not "advice"

 

[KansasHawkeye]

This is all on his caddy.

 

[hoffahawk]

This is all on his caddy.

 

[big10fan]

This is all on his caddy.

yeah, isn't that what you have a caddy for? it's not like they really do all that much. i'm sure they help a lot if you're new to the course and all, but what do they really have to offer for a seasoned pro except to keep them from making a stupid error.

 

[JHHawk]

Question: If Zach or his caddy realized after he put his ball down and removed the marker that he had not moved it back to the original spot, could he then re-mark the ball,do the move back to the original spot,and then correctly place the ball on the orignial spot without penalty? I suspect he could,as long as he ends up in the correct spot,but not sure, sometimes these golf rules can be very anal.

 

[cf84]

Question: If Zach or his caddy realized after he put his ball down and removed the marker that he had not moved it back to the original spot, could he then re-mark the ball,do the move back to the original spot,and then correctly place the ball on the orignial spot without penalty? I suspect he could,as long as he ends up in the correct spot,but not sure, sometimes these golf rules can be very anal.

Yes, he could do that.

 

[SayHawkKid]

It's standard practice for the leader to putt out last as a courtesy to his playing partner. Even if he's a foot from the hole, he'll wait so the crowd reaction doesn't impact the playing partner.

Just a MAJOR blunder for a pro golfer and he's lucky he had the 3 stroke lead and didn't sign his card before noticing the problem. Would have been a DQ had he signed for a lower score and that would have cost him the title and he would gotten no money. Literally a MILLION DOLLAR mistake! Would have gone down as the one of the biggest mistakes in tour history.

1) Thanks for the "grass is green" info

2) Maybe you didn't notice but Duf and Zach had already deviated from "standard practice" golf (winner of previous hole no longer was going first off the tee, which is NOT a penalty)

3) The PGA is the lucky one. You had better believe the officials were very relieved when the penalty did not affect the outcome. Taking the title away from a golfer that exudes strength of character and integrity at a time when those very attributes are very much in question, would have been a disaster.

 

[uihawk82]

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SayHawkKid you wrecked that avatar image.

 

[cf84]

1) Thanks for the "grass is green" info

2) Maybe you didn't notice but Duf and Zach had already deviated from "standard practice" golf (winner of previous hole no longer was going first off the tee, which is NOT a penalty)

3) The PGA is the lucky one. You had better believe the officials were very relieved when the penalty did not affect the outcome. Taking the title away from a golfer that exudes strength of character and integrity at a time when those very attributes are very much in question, would have been a disaster.

How stupid about golf are you? First, you wondered why he didn't just putt out. It just doesn't happen that way. He could have done it but just did the typical thing.

Sure, I heard the announcers say they went out of turn and knew it wasn't a penalty. So what's your point?

The PGA doesn't give a rat's a** if Zach wins or not. If the rules dictate he was disqualified, that's what would have happened. Would have been similar to Dustin Johnson at the PGA a couple years back when he grounded his club in a trap. Knocked him out of a playoff for a major. You don't think that ruling took some balls? When a rule has been obviously broken, there is no wiggle room in golf. It's definitely harsh at times. This one was actually very obvious when watching the video.

As for Zach's caddy, he was busy raking the the trap after Zach hit out of it and didn't see Zach move his mark. If you look at the video, Dufner's caddy actually cleaned Zach's ball after he marked it since Zach's caddy was raking. So in this case, you really can't blame the caddy but ordinarily they would be watching for something like that too. I'd guess he might have caught it when Zach was ready to putt but didn't know. I'd also guess those two won't ever let it happen again.

Zach screwed up and admitted it. That's not an insult to him. I'd guarantee you had he been DQ'd because of it, he'd have handled it with class, as usual.

 

[FCAS]

3) The PGA is the lucky one. You had better believe the officials were very relieved when the penalty did not affect the outcome. Taking the title away from a golfer that exudes strength of character and integrity at a time when those very attributes are very much in question, would have been a disaster.

What? If the penalty would have affected the outcome, Zach would have accepted full responsibility and taken it like a man. This would have actually emphasized the integrity of the game. In golf, rules are rules. In other sports, particularly basketball and baseball, rules do not apply equally to all.

 

[SayHawkKid]

How stupid about golf are you? First, you wondered why he didn't just putt out. It just doesn't happen that way. He could have done it but just did the typical thing.

Sure, I heard the announcers say they went out of turn and knew it wasn't a penalty. So what's your point?

The PGA doesn't give a rat's a** if Zach wins or not. If the rules dictate he was disqualified, that's what would have happened. Would have been similar to Dustin Johnson at the PGA a couple years back when he grounded his club in a trap. Knocked him out of a playoff for a major. You don't think that ruling took some balls? When a rule has been obviously broken, there is no wiggle room in golf. It's definitely harsh at times. This one was actually very obvious when watching the video.

As for Zach's caddy, he was busy raking the the trap after Zach hit out of it and didn't see Zach move his mark. If you look at the video, Dufner's caddy actually cleaned Zach's ball after he marked it since Zach's caddy was raking. So in this case, you really can't blame the caddy but ordinarily they would be watching for something like that too. I'd guess he might have caught it when Zach was ready to putt but didn't know. I'd also guess those two won't ever let it happen again.

Zach screwed up and admitted it. That's not an insult to him. I'd guarantee you had he been DQ'd because of it, he'd have handled it with class, as usual.

 

[DeanMarshall]

1) Thanks for the "grass is green" info

2) Maybe you didn't notice but Duf and Zach had already deviated from "standard practice" golf (winner of previous hole no longer was going first off the tee, which is NOT a penalty)

3) The PGA is the lucky one. You had better believe the officials were very relieved when the penalty did not affect the outcome. Taking the title away from a golfer that exudes strength of character and integrity at a time when those very attributes are very much in question, would have been a disaster.

VERY well stated; SayHawkkid.....You really could not say it better. And Zach DOES NOT have to move his mark, off the other golfers line, I don't believe. He could have just left it in Dufner's line. But---in this case------the NICE GUY does finish first.

 

[KansasHawkeye]

1) Thanks for the "grass is green=" info2) Maybe you didn't notice but Duf and Zach had already deviated from="standard practice=" golf (winner of previous hole no longer was going first off the tee, which is NOT a penalty)3) The PGA is the lucky one. You had better believe the officials were very relieved when the penalty did not affect the outcome. Taking the title away from a golfer that exudes strength of character and integrity at a time when those very attributes are very much in question, would have been a disaster.

How stupid about golf are you? First, you wondered why he didn't just putt out. It just doesn't happen that way. He could have done it but just did the typical thing.Sure, I heard the announcers say they went out of turn and knew it wasn't a penalty. So what's your point?The PGA doesn't give a rat's a** if Zach wins or not. If the rules dictate he was disqualified, that's what would have happened. Would have been similar to Dustin Johnson at the PGA a couple years back when he grounded his club in a trap. Knocked him out of a playoff for a major. You don't think that ruling took some balls? When a rule has been obviously broken, there is no wiggle room in golf. It's definitely harsh at times. This one was actually very obvious when watching the video.As for Zach's caddy, he was busy raking the the trap after Zach hit out of it and didn't see Zach move his mark. If you look at the video, Dufner's caddy actually cleaned Zach's ball after he marked it since Zach's caddy was raking. So in this case, you really can't blame the caddy but ordinarily they would be watching for something like that too. I'd guess he might have caught it when Zach was ready to putt but didn't know. I'd also guess those two won't ever let it happen again. Zach screwed up and admitted it. That's not an insult to him. I'd guarantee you had he been DQ'd because of it, he'd have handled it with class, as usual.

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Why was his caddy worried about raking the trap? They were the last group of the tournament and on the 18th.

 

[cf84]

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Why was his caddy worried about raking the trap? They were the last group of the tournament and on the 18th.

They always rake it whether they are the last group or not, if nothing else for golf etiquette. Plus, there was still a slight chance at the time there could be a playoff where the 18th was played again. Say Dufner holed his birdie putt and Zach 3 putted (or didn't replace his mark ), you've got a playoff and the 18th hole is often times the first playoff hole because the gallery is already in position.