Would you make a move

[DuffMan]

We have seen polls asking if you suppor the coach, or team, or whatever. This is a bit different. I'm asking if you are the AD, the man in charge, knowing everything you do now... Would you make a move when the season ends or continue until next year.

That's it. If you were in Barta's shoes today what would you do?

 

[JHHawk]

We won 14 games vs Big Ten teams in 06, in 3 years of lick we have won 15 of 56 games vs Big Ten teams...just not good enough. Cut a deal.

 

[DaDynasty]

Without knowing all the financials - easy answer yes. I think they will lose the amount of money in the buyout anyway with no one attending games. Buyout, pay Bruce Pearl whatever he wants, and go from there. I wouldn't want to be known as the guy who kept Lick way too long.

 

[busabus114]

Hell yeah we should get some road beers

 

[BA96MA99]

What would be the reasons for NOT making a change if you were the AD?

 

[DuffMan]

The pros and cons have been discussed over and over I don't know what anyone could add that would be new. I will say this....

This message board represents the most "hardcore" element of the fanbase. Regardless of your opinion on this or other maters I doubt you find very few "casual fans" here.

When 87% of your fanbase wants to say goodbye to the coach that doesnt spell good things. Especially when it's almost a given that he will be around next year.

 

[JDavis11]

It's time for a change. The most disturbing thing to me is the player-coach relationships on this team. I liked Jon's podcast when he talked about instate recruiting Jok and Staten if we get a new coach now we actually have a shot. I just can't imagine this coaching staff bringing us back to be a contender in the Big Ten.

 

[Igothawked]

I see that 5 voters have checked NO up until now and I see no posts on why he should not be fired. Does the whole recruiting class coming outweigh the problems of the last 3 years? These recruits would likely come to Iowa even with a new coach. I don't know that we lose any players of the current team either if we bring in another coach this year. Maybe Johnny Lick??
This team is going to get rolled again by Michigan tomorrow. That will make 3 straight losses to them on Thurday in the Big 10 tournament. No development and no improvement. It's time.

 

[BA96MA99]

The pros and cons have been discussed over and over I don't know what anyone could add that would be new. I will say this....

This message board represents the most "hardcore" element of the fanbase. Regardless of your opinion on this or other maters I doubt you find very few "casual fans" here.

When 87% of your fanbase wants to say goodbye to the coach that doesnt spell good things. Especially when it's almost a given that he will be around next year.

So there are no good reasons for not making a change. That's what I thought.

 

[Hawkeye10970]

A NO vote could be purely for financial reasons. Or program stability.

Any argument for NO can be soundly shouted down, however.

Gary Barta, are you listening?

 

[GhostofBTT]

I voted no, and here is why.

1. We allowed an overzealous fan base to run off our last coach, if we allow an overzealous fanbase to run off his replacement a few years later, no real coach is going to want to come here.

2. I have my doubts as to whether we would find someone better than Lick to replace him. We have no success, a straight up angry fan base (who will probably instantly hate the next coach because he won't have a big name), and crappy facilities. No estabished coach is coming here.

3. Give the guy a chance to succeed. Some of the problems are his fault, but not all of them. As long as we are awful, I would rather give him one year too many, rather than give up on him too soon.

4. Do you really think a new coach is going to have any more success next year? In the off chance Lickliter is building something, at least see it through.

 

[HawkeyeBBall]

I voted no, and here is why.

1. We allowed an overzealous fan base to run off our last coach, if we allow an overzealous fanbase to run off his replacement a few years later, no real coach is going to want to come here.

2. I have my doubts as to whether we would find someone better than Lick to replace him. We have no success, a straight up angry fan base (who will probably instantly hate the next coach because he won't have a big name), and crappy facilities. No estabished coach is coming here.

3. Give the guy a chance to succeed. Some of the problems are his fault, but not all of them. As long as we are awful, I would rather give him one year too many, rather than give up on him too soon.

4. Do you really think a new coach is going to have any more success next year? In the off chance Lickliter is building something, at least see it through.

+1, well said.

 

[BA96MA99]

I voted no, and here is why.

1. We allowed an overzealous fan base to run off our last coach, if we allow an overzealous fanbase to run off his replacement a few years later, no real coach is going to want to come here.

2. I have my doubts as to whether we would find someone better than Lick to replace him. We have no success, a straight up angry fan base (who will probably instantly hate the next coach because he won't have a big name), and crappy facilities. No estabished coach is coming here.

3. Give the guy a chance to succeed. Some of the problems are his fault, but not all of them. As long as we are awful, I would rather give him one year too many, rather than give up on him too soon.

4. Do you really think a new coach is going to have any more success next year? In the off chance Lickliter is building something, at least see it through.

1. We won't know that until we have to look for another coach.
2. We won't know that until we have to look for another coach.
3. That is your best argument. I have made that argument myself.
4. No, but we won't know that until we have to look for another coach.

It's just like the Iowa lottery: you can't win if you don't play.

 

[JehovahShalom]

I would at least like to see Iowa be competitive in the big10... I could stomach losing better if there was hope.... I don't see hope. If Lick can give me some hope I'm all in... till then... it hurts.

I voted no, and here is why.
...
3. Give the guy a chance to succeed. Some of the problems are his fault, but not all of them. As long as we are awful, I would rather give him one year too many, rather than give up on him too soon.
....

 

[1977Hawkeye]

1. We allowed an overzealous fan base to run off our last coach, if we allow an overzealous fanbase to run off his replacement a few years later, no real coach is going to want to come here.

I can see it now. Some of you are primed and ready to accuse our fans of running off Lickliter, and will hold that belief until the day you die. Go ahead and think what you want, but it doesn't make it true.

If Lickliter gets fired, all one needs to do is look at his record. All three of his years at Iowa so far have surpassed the old record of 16 for most losses in a single season (19, 17, 22). Also the lowest winning percentage in Iowa history.

I think it's fair to say that Lickliter is running himself off. It's not the fans who are responsible if he gets the axe.

That's the problem with today's society. With too many people, it's always someone else's fault if you fail. It certainly isn't the fans' fault that Lickliter's record is so poor.

 

[Sweetriver]

I voted no, and here is why.

1. We allowed an overzealous fan base to run off our last coach, if we allow an overzealous fanbase to run off his replacement a few years later, no real coach is going to want to come here.

2. I have my doubts as to whether we would find someone better than Lick to replace him. We have no success, a straight up angry fan base (who will probably instantly hate the next coach because he won't have a big name), and crappy facilities. No estabished coach is coming here.

3. Give the guy a chance to succeed. Some of the problems are his fault, but not all of them. As long as we are awful, I would rather give him one year too many, rather than give up on him too soon.

4. Do you really think a new coach is going to have any more success next year? In the off chance Lickliter is building something, at least see it through.

1. No, Alford quit, no one fired him or ran him off. He lacked confidence in his own ability. I think 8 seasons was enough for him to prove himself. This alone works in our favor, we were extremely patient with Alford, more so than most any other school would have been.

2. We are building new practice facilities that will place us in the middle of the Big Ten. Any new recruits that come in will have the new facilities, this is not an issue, nor should it be. As far as finding someone better than Lick, you really think we can't do better than a 40% winning percentage. There are PLENTY of young (and old) coaches who would love to make a million a year coaching in the Big Ten. Any coach from a nonmajor conference only makes about $200,000 to $400,000 a year. Heck, we could hire Brad Stevens, Lick's replacement at Butler! Who among mid major head coaches or assistant coaches in the majors would turn down a chance to make double the money and be an instant millionaire, while coaching in the Big Ten? No one.

3. 3 years is plenty. Each year he stays, it makes it harder for the program to recover. We lose our reputation and we lose our fan support. What problem isn't his fault? These are his players, his program. He ran off the players that could have helped him win and didn't recruit the players he needed to win.

4. Yes, many coaches come in and instantly turn programs around. It won't be hard to beat 10 wins. At most, it takes 3 years to turn a program around. Lick's trend is downward, there is no sign reason to believe he is suddenly going to learn how to win next year when everyone else in the Big Ten has better talent returning. Remember Einstein's definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

 

[lightning1]

I can see it now. Some of you are primed and ready to accuse our fans of running off Lickliter, and will hold that belief until the day you die. Go ahead and think what you want, but it doesn't make it true.

If Lickliter gets fired, all one needs to do is look at his record. All three of his years at Iowa so far have surpassed the old record of 16 for most losses in a single season (19, 17, 22). Also the lowest winning percentage in Iowa history.

I think it's fair to say that Lickliter is running himself off. It's not the fans who are responsible if he gets the axe.

That's the problem with today's society. With too many people, it's always someone else's fault if you fail. It certainly isn't the fans' fault that Lickliter's record is so poor.

Can I get a witness from the congregation???? "AYE!"
His record speaks louder than any words from an angry fanbase.
His record is the driving force of the anger.
As was SA's.
Mr. Davis, you may have an argument for.

 

[Reeon]

Wow, 65-9 in favor of ousting Lickliter.

 

[DuffMan]

Just the fact that 85% of Hawkeyenation would cut him loose speaks volumes.... thats a pretty sobering statistic.

To put it into perspective that would be like a President having a 15% approval rating.... Actually the approval rating would probably be lower than 15% as there are probably some in the boat that wouldn't fire him that still wouldn't approve of the job he's done/is doing.

Sheesh.