Would have BF been let go this week but for the fair catch call?

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NorthKCHawk

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If the refs had not jobbed us on the punt return, I think we all agree that there was less than 1% chance Minny drove and scored, and we win and go to 7-1. It would not change the offensive stats or performance one bit, but do you think Beth still has the juice to force this down KF's throat when Iowa sits at 7-1 and likely in the Top 20?
 
Tough to say... When exactly did Goetz have those conversations with the two of them? They may have started prior to that game. So it feels like she'd already decided I don't think the end result of the game made her decide to do it now. Interesting question though. End result would be the same though I bet
 
I don't think so. If it would have stood, the ST would have bailed Iowa out again. I really think it came down to the bye week and a good time to deal with it. I wonder if they ended up confirming to McNamara they would make changes as the timing of his announcement of coming back coincides with this deal. That could be a stretch or coincidence, though.

I'm wondering if recruiting issues started to play into it.
 
I am sure recruiting and donors were at the top of Beth's lists as far as timing was concerned.

I sure hope that McNamara had no role in this decision. Nice kid, but you don't plan coaching changes around a kid who can't stay on the field.
 
NorthKCHawk said:
I am sure recruiting and donors were at the top of Beth's lists as far as timing was concerned.

I sure hope that McNamara had no role in this decision. Nice kid, but you don't plan coaching changes around a kid who can't stay on the field.
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Didn’t Gatens have a lot of pull in getting Lickliter removed? Or was that just rumor?

If CM has the pulse of the locker room, you have to factor that in and at least listen.
 
NorthKCHawk said:
If the refs had not jobbed us on the punt return, I think we all agree that there was less than 1% chance Minny drove and scored, and we win and go to 7-1. It would not change the offensive stats or performance one bit, but do you think Beth still has the juice to force this down KF's throat when Iowa sits at 7-1 and likely in the Top 20?
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This is about so much more than a botched call in the Minnesota game.

The interim AD, that title needs to be just AD very soon, has been around long enough at Iowa to know BF was not the answer to the offense. This was a culmination of the last 1 and 3/4 years and being one of the worst offenses in D1 football.

If not for his dad, BF would not be the OC at any other school. Said it before and will say it again. KF is 100% at fault for this hire. Barta allowing it was pure incompetence as well. Of course emotionally this has to be difficult for KF, but he put his son in a bad spot. Again, KF owns this one.

The bottom line is BG stood up to KF and GB never did. That's what was needed at Iowa. I also am sure the big donors finally realized Iowa was being laughed at from all corners of the college football world. The timing worked out for BG.
 
hawkinstl said:
This is about so much more than a botched call in the Minnesota game.

The interim AD, that title needs to be just AD very soon, has been around long enough at Iowa to know BF was not the answer to the offense. This was a culmination of the last 1 and 3/4 years and being one of the worst offenses in D1 football.

If not for his dad, BF would not be the OC at any other school. Said it before and will say it again. KF is 100% at fault for this hire. Barta allowing it was pure incompetence as well. Of course emotionally this has to be difficult for KF, but he put his son in a bad spot. Again, KF owns this one.

The bottom line is BG stood up to KF and GB never did. That's what was needed at Iowa. I also am sure the big donors finally realized Iowa was being laughed at from all corners of the college football world. The timing worked out for BG.
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That would be so hard to do at 7-1 and coming off an emotional win like that. IMO, she wouldn’t have done it.

I do believe in January BF would have been gone no matter how the season played out. The situation had become too toxic.
 
trj said:
That would be so hard to do at 7-1 and coming off an emotional win like that. IMO, she wouldn’t have done it.

I do believe in January BF would have been gone no matter how the season played out. The situation had become too toxic.
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But 6-2 is pretty darn good and Iowa controls it's own destiny. Win out and I believe they win the west.
 
hawkinstl said:
But 6-2 is pretty darn good and Iowa controls it's own destiny. Win out and I believe they win the west.
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Here’s a question for everyone. We win out, win the West AND do the unthinkable………… upset the East champ. Does that change anything. Would Kirk give Beth the finger and leave for greener pastures?
 
oldhawk12 said:
Kirk…is that you? Absolutely none of this has to do with the record
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5-3(4-1)

What is the end game? Are you guys happy just being bowl eligible or do you want more? You can clown(pun intended) us for going to the Outback Bowl every year, but you guys do a circle jerk about going to Memphis every 2 years.
 
BigD said:
Here’s a question for everyone. We win out, win the West AND do the unthinkable………… upset the East champ. Does that change anything. Would Kirk give Beth the finger and leave for greener pastures?
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I think if Iowa won a B1G title game this year, it would create a chain reaction of improbable events.
Israel and Hamas become allies
Freddy Got Fingered 2 wins an Oscar
Cancer is cured
 
It's impossible to know the answer since we do not know if Minnesota would have been able to score in the last two minutes after Iowa kicked off. What we do know is Iowa had plenty of time and time outs to go 20 yards in order to try a field goal from around the Minnesota 35. Those last three Iowa offensive plays were the culmination of everything thing wrong with the offense. They exposed Iowa had no FBS QB, a deficient line, and a coordinator unable to call plays in a critical moment. It is only an "IF" since we will never know how Minnesota would have responded.
 
BigD said:
Here’s a question for everyone. We win out, win the West AND do the unthinkable………… upset the East champ. Does that change anything. Would Kirk give Beth the finger and leave for greener pastures?
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After 20 years, dude can find any greener pasture he wants.
 
trj said:
Didn’t Gatens have a lot of pull in getting Lickliter removed? Or was that just rumor?

If CM has the pulse of the locker room, you have to factor that in and at least listen.
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Gatens was rumored to be out the door if Todd was retained.

That would have been the fourth year in a row that Iowa’s best returning player ended up walking out the door (Tyler Smith, Tony Freeman, Jake Kelly and Jeff Peterson) Not a good look even way back then.
 
MelroseHawkins said:
I don't think so. If it would have stood, the ST would have bailed Iowa out again. I really think it came down to the bye week and a good time to deal with it. I wonder if they ended up confirming to McNamara they would make changes as the timing of his announcement of coming back coincides with this deal. That could be a stretch or coincidence, though.

I'm wondering if recruiting issues started to play into it.
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I agree that the bye week was a good time to address it. Regardless of what iowas record was at the time it occurred.
 
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