Worthless SA has NM up to 6 on RPI

The pain will end when Lick and his staff are gone and I hope it is after next season. A contract buy out should be affordable by then.
 

The pain will end when the Alf lovers like you stop posting this crap about how North Mexico is doing.

We get it, he is having success at a MID-MAJOR something he really couldn't do at a BCS school. If you recall he also had success Missouri St which happens to be a MID-MAJOR. But not as much success at the one and only BCS school he has been at.

Playing Purdue, Michigan St, Ohio St, Wisconsin etc.. isn't quite the same as playing TCU, San Diego St, Wyoming, UNLV, Utah, etc..
 
The pain will end when the Alf lovers like you stop posting this crap about how North Mexico is doing.

We get it, he is having success at a MID-MAJOR something he really couldn't do at a BCS school. If you recall he also had success Missouri St which happens to be a MID-MAJOR. But not as much success at the one and only BCS school he has been at.

Playing Purdue, Michigan St, Ohio St, Wisconsin etc.. isn't quite the same as playing TCU, San Diego St, Wyoming, UNLV, Utah, etc..

Ding ding ding! We have a winner! Let's wait and see how the Lobos do in the NCAA (because they're going to get there), before we bow down to Alford and wish he was back. My guess is one and done. Alford has done a good job getting Moutain West talent to come to a Mountain West school.

Does everyone forget that he was talking to New Mexico about their opening before his last game at Iowa?

The Lickliter hiring may well turn out to be a mistake, but that doesn't mean that Alford leaving was a bad thing. Some of you sound like Cyclone fans who were pining for McCarney to come back after the 2008 season.
 
The pain will end when the Alf lovers like you stop posting this crap about how North Mexico is doing.

We get it, he is having success at a MID-MAJOR something he really couldn't do at a BCS school. If you recall he also had success Missouri St which happens to be a MID-MAJOR. But not as much success at the one and only BCS school he has been at.

Playing Purdue, Michigan St, Ohio St, Wisconsin etc.. isn't quite the same as playing TCU, San Diego St, Wyoming, UNLV, Utah, etc..

They have beaten Texas Tech and Cal this year. Both are pretty solid teams
 
The pain will end when the Alf lovers like you stop posting this crap about how North Mexico is doing.

We get it, he is having success at a MID-MAJOR something he really couldn't do at a BCS school. If you recall he also had success Missouri St which happens to be a MID-MAJOR. But not as much success at the one and only BCS school he has been at.

Playing Purdue, Michigan St, Ohio St, Wisconsin etc.. isn't quite the same as playing TCU, San Diego St, Wyoming, UNLV, Utah, etc..

No kidding! It is not like they are playing Texas-San Antionio, Duquense, UNI, and Wichita St.
 
The pain will end when Lick and his staff are gone and I hope it is after next season. A contract buy out should be affordable by then.

Barta is going to sit around and wait until absolutely no one cares anymore. It is an embarrassment to see Carver empty every single game, no matter who we play. Lickliter has hit nearly every Iowa basketball low in the history of the program.
 
Barta is going to sit around and wait until absolutely no one cares anymore. It is an embarrassment to see Carver empty every single game, no matter who we play. Lickliter has hit nearly every Iowa basketball low in the history of the program.

Good news, only one way to go. Up.
 
The pain will end when the Alf lovers like you stop posting this crap about how North Mexico is doing.

We get it, he is having success at a MID-MAJOR something he really couldn't do at a BCS school. If you recall he also had success Missouri St which happens to be a MID-MAJOR. But not as much success at the one and only BCS school he has been at.

Playing Purdue, Michigan St, Ohio St, Wisconsin etc.. isn't quite the same as playing TCU, San Diego St, Wyoming, UNLV, Utah, etc..

With all due respect...
"The pain will end when the Lick lovers like you stop posting this crap about how Butler is doing.

We get it, he had success at a MID-MAJOR something he really isn't doing at a BCS school. If you recall he also had success (x) which happens to be a MID-MAJOR. But no success at the one and only BCS school he has been at.

Playing Purdue, Michigan St, Ohio St, Wisconsin etc.. isn't quite the same as playing (whomever Butler plays), etc..
 
The pain will end when the Alf lovers like you stop posting this crap about how North Mexico is doing.

We get it, he is having success at a MID-MAJOR something he really couldn't do at a BCS school. If you recall he also had success Missouri St which happens to be a MID-MAJOR. But not as much success at the one and only BCS school he has been at.

Playing Purdue, Michigan St, Ohio St, Wisconsin etc.. isn't quite the same as playing TCU, San Diego St, Wyoming, UNLV, Utah, etc..

Ding ding ding! We have a winner! Let's wait and see how the Lobos do in the NCAA (because they're going to get there), before we bow down to Alford and wish he was back. My guess is one and done. Alford has done a good job getting Moutain West talent to come to a Mountain West school.

Does everyone forget that he was talking to New Mexico about their opening before his last game at Iowa?

The Lickliter hiring may well turn out to be a mistake, but that doesn't mean that Alford leaving was a bad thing. Some of you sound like Cyclone fans who were pining for McCarney to come back after the 2008 season.


Shada I want to thank you for being the voice of reason on this board.

It is refreshing to see someone actually remember what happened a few years back rather than wishing Alfraud was back.
 
Shada I want to thank you for being the voice of reason on this board.

It is refreshing to see someone actually remember what happened a few years back rather than wishing Alfraud was back.

There a lot of differing opinions when it comes to the state of the basketball, and what needs to happen going forward. There are the people who think that Lick needs to be gone after this year and see everything in terms of wins and losses. There is some merit to that, as that is ultimately how a coach is judged.

Then there those people - like me - who are able to recognize that Lickliter was dealt a significant blow last year when 1/3 of his roster walked out the door, essentially putting him back to day 1.

Whatever side of the fence you're on, you knew that this was going to a long, challenging year and that this team was going to be tough to watch at times. We all knew that this team would have some games like they had Saturday afternoon.

What some in the "fire Lick now" crowd don't seem to understand, or are unwilling to accept, is that a team as young as Iowa - at least this year - can't be judged on wins and losses. If that is the only barometer you're going to use as to how the team is performing, you're not being realistic. If you knew going into the season that this team was going to struggle mightily at times, you can't get all bent out of shape when they do struggle, as that's exactly what you expected to happen.

Iowa plays Minnesota in the season finale on March 7. If the result then is the same as it was Saturday afternoon, then the cause for concern is warranted, as Lickliter and the rest of the coaching staff, along with the team as a whole will not have learned from their mistakes and corrected those mistakes.

I would be shocked if this team isn't playing better basketball by the end of the year than they are right now, but that doesn't mean that the only way to measure progress is in the W/L column.

Edit - When I used the word "you", it wasn't referring to you specifically. More of a general term.
 
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Then there those people - like me - who are able to recognize that Lickliter was dealt a significant blow last year when 1/3 of his roster walked out the door, essentially putting him back to day 1.

Whatever side of the fence you're on, you knew that this was going to a long, challenging year and that this team was going to be tough to watch at times. We all knew that this team would have some games like they had Saturday afternoon.

What some in the "fire Lick now" crowd don't seem to understand, or are unwilling to accept, is that a team as young as Iowa - at least this year - can't be judged on wins and losses. If that is the only barometer you're going to use as to how the team is performing, you're not being realistic. If you knew going into the season that this team was going to struggle mightily at times, you can't get all bent out of shape when they do struggle, as that's exactly what you expected to happen.

This is going to be another point of disagreement, but this is the $64000 question: Is Lickliter to be completely excused of all responsibility for "1/3 of his roster walking out the door" and just chalk it up to his being dealt a bad hand? Or should he be held to SOME sort of standard to work with what he has rather than trying to fit square pegs into round holes, and keep players in the program? You could just as easily argue that Lickliter nudged a lot of these players out the door because they weren't his type of players. Freeman for example. At the time, the talk I heard sounded like it was basically "Play my way or you don't play. It doesn't matter that you just led the team in scoring." I feel that Lickliter pretty much threw away a legitimate Big Ten calibur player to prove a point.

This team is young, inexperienced, and has no depth, because for one reason or another, Lickliter has been unable to retain the players necessary to have upperclassmen, and the depth you speak of. This factor, and the transfers, go hand-in-hand IMO. You have to either blame Lickliter for both, or excuse him for both. Clearly, you are in the latter camp, I am in the former.

Regarding expectations for this year - I understand what you are saying, but low expectations still don't excuse poor results, do they? What if this is happening two years from now and the team still is expected to be bad? There comes a point where we have to stop saying "Well, we all knew the team would be awful this year, so don't be upset because that's what is happening." The question is: At what point should that be?
 
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