Woodbury and Basabe

The last four games he was counted on when he played well and wasn't counted on when he didn't. I don't see the evidence that gives Marble the unfair label of being a head case. Streaky maybe, but that doesn't equate to head case.
 


tm3308 said:
9th in defensive rebounding %. In DRPG, Iowa is 2nd in the Big Ten and 12th nationally. 3rd in ORPG, 4th in OR%. Iowa's rebounding is fine.
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Serious question, what the heck is the difference between "Rebounding defense" AND "defensive rebounding"?
 


dave3912 said:
Iowa is 11th in defensive rebounding, I wouldn't call that "fine".
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I thought the same thing, but that is "Rebounding Defense" which is not the same as Defensive Rebounding. Scroll down a little further to see offensive and defensive rebounding where we are #2 and #3 respectively. I'm not even for sure what the difference is.
 


1hawkeye1 said:
I thought the same thing, but that is "Rebounding Defense" which is not the same as Defensive Rebounding. Scroll down a little further to see offensive and defensive rebounding where we are #2 and #3 respectively. I'm not even for sure what the difference is.
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That is what threw me off, I don't understand it, where the heck is Spank when you need him!
 


For the good of Iowa's offense, Fran should get the entire team involved. When Marble was in his 'funk', Iowa scored enough points to be competitive in every game.

Probably why he didn't look good against NW and PSU in the first meetings. He wasn't counted on. Given the ball as much. It got to his head.

He may have been hurt starting with the MSU game, but, IMO, his ankle/toe healed alot sooner than his 'head'. And I wish he'd stop dribbling the ball so much. It's an accident waiting to happen.
 


Hawkfnntn said:
Consider that this is a team still rebuilding. 3 yrs ago this program had all but hit rock bottom. Fran is a builder of teams. He doesn't have the same strategy of building a team like say a Calipari. (for more than one reason) Schools swing and miss on recruits for various reasons all the time and when you figure this team is leaning pretty heavy on Gessell Woody and Clemmons I'm not upset at where this team is this yr. It's young, everybody will be back next yr. (minus May) It'll be interesting to see how Utoff and Jok figure in. That said more touches for Basabe Woody and even McCabe wouldn't hurt my feelings as opposed to Oglesby. The arrow for this group is pointing up not sideways or down. I'm not going to complain to the Nth degree about things.
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Super summary.
 


dave3912 said:
That is what threw me off, I don't understand it, where the heck is Spank when you need him!
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Rebounding defense is rebounds allowed per game. Iowa is going to have an inflated number there because of their tempo and low shooting percentage.
 


tm3308 said:
Rebounding defense is rebounds allowed per game. Iowa is going to have an inflated number there because of their tempo and low shooting percentage.
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Mainly just tempo. We actually shoot a pretty decent percentage from the field. We don't shoot the 3 well but we also don't shoot that many 3's.
 


tednugentfan said:
Without their effort and hustle last night, PSU wins. While neither put up big scoring numbers, I lost track trying to keep up with the number of loose balls, tips, blocks, altered shots, etc. these guys had. Both seemed determined and focused every second they were on the court. I remain baffled as to why it's OK for Oglesby to clank shot after shot, yet we refuse to feed the post to get Basabe and Woodbury touches. Conversely, I am extremely underwhelmed with McCaffrey's recruiting. If we had another shooter / scorer or another Basabe type athlete, I think we have 2-3 more wins. What did he see last year that made him think we had enough scorers on the team? Clemmons, Oglesby, Olaseni, and Ingram (who apparently was recruited to sit on the bench) collectively grade out at a D- offensively. A couple guys for specific roles OK, but 4 with a big ? about Meyer, who was recruited by nobody? Woodbury and Gesell will improve, Basabe and White will be solid, Marble may have a bit more to tap into, but the rest of the team ......not sure.
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Coach Lickliter, is that you? You seem to be too mellow to be a Nugent fan.
 


tm3308 said:
Rebounding defense is rebounds allowed per game. Iowa is going to have an inflated number there because of their tempo and low shooting percentage.
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Their "low shooting percentage" is why I said earlier that Iowa wasn't a good shooting team.

Also since they have an inflated number of defensive rebounds allowed per game, because of their "low shooting percentage", wouldn't that mean that Iowa's rebounds per game is also inflated?
 


dave3912 said:
Their "low shooting percentage" is why I said earlier that Iowa wasn't a good shooting team.

Also since they have an inflated number of defensive rebounds allowed per game, because of their "low shooting percentage", wouldn't that mean that Iowa's rebounds per game is also inflated?
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That's more on tempo than low shooting percentage (we play fast, therefore there are more possessions for both teams and more chances for rebounds). But the offensive rebounds are strongly affected by the poor shooting.
 




ILHawk said:
Not trying to sound like a smartie, but you need to face it. Woody does not have the hand eye coordination, hand quickness and mental determination to score in the B1G. He is great at passing. I'm not ready to say he's a great rebounder yet until he does those rebound numbers AND at least is a scoring threat. It's like playing closed field baseball and really puts the team at a disadvantage offensively. A times the defense inside is non-existent when it involves pick and roll.

I can agree with you about Basabe, but not Woody. Fran obviously thinks he sees something in JO. Not sure why MG doesn't become the shooter off the screens, but that does take away ball handling.

I have been also been somewhat underwhelmed with FM's recruiting and outside of getting an unhappy Wisky player there is little to see for the future? That said, White, MG, and Basabe were great pick ups. By underwhelmed I mean for a fast turn around. Clemmons is more of a project than first thought, but not unusual for a freshman. It's going to take two more years before we really know where we are at. Staying ahead of PSU, NW and Nebby will likely be easy. Breaking into the top 1/3 isn't there with the current talent level. Some of the pieces are there. Experience will help, but you know MSU, MI, IU and Wisky will simply reload with as good or better. IU may not get such a great player for the future, but the overall talent will get better.
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I couldn't disagree with you more on Woodbury and we will see in a couple of years. On Oglesby, he isn't making shots from 3, but not many folks are and he is playing well in other areas as he always has.

It is frustrating to see him be a chucker, but if he is told to do so then so be it.

I like how people question recruiting because there are some struggles at times with players. I guess some of them weren't 3* kids for nothing...the fact is Fran's teams have improved each year as the season has went along. Clemmons is not any more of a project than Gesell, to think otherwise is uninformed. Each player excels in one area and doesn't in others. I think if Fran could have predicted May playing as well as he is this year he would probably have redshirted, just my opinion, I think he will be a solid contributor in his career.

I haven't seen Uthoff/Meyer play so I can't make any judgement on them yet.

Also, it is funny how people also are loving Basabe this year, but wanted him gone last year. Interesting enough as well, when people talk about freshman sitting or redshirting, isn't that a good thing sometimes?
You don't want to see the double digit rotation, but complain that Ingram was recruited to sit...hmm, makes sense to me. Make up your freaking mind. Freshman sitting show a healthy program, unless they are that good to play immediately. Fran is targeting specific skills from each player, just let it all play out and see what happens.
 






sportstalent said:
I couldn't disagree with you more on Woodbury and we will see in a couple of years. On Oglesby, he isn't making shots from 3, but not many folks are and he is playing well in other areas as he always has.

It is frustrating to see him be a chucker, but if he is told to do so then so be it.

I like how people question recruiting because there are some struggles at times with players. I guess some of them weren't 3* kids for nothing...the fact is Fran's teams have improved each year as the season has went along. Clemmons is not any more of a project than Gesell, to think otherwise is uninformed. Each player excels in one area and doesn't in others. I think if Fran could have predicted May playing as well as he is this year he would probably have redshirted, just my opinion, I think he will be a solid contributor in his career.

I haven't seen Uthoff/Meyer play so I can't make any judgement on them yet.

Also, it is funny how people also are loving Basabe this year, but wanted him gone last year. Interesting enough as well, when people talk about freshman sitting or redshirting, isn't that a good thing sometimes?
You don't want to see the double digit rotation, but complain that Ingram was recruited to sit...hmm, makes sense to me. Make up your freaking mind. Freshman sitting show a healthy program, unless they are that good to play immediately. Fran is targeting specific skills from each player, just let it all play out and see what happens.
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Good points ST. Most fans seem to look at the value of players in terms of 'what have you done for me lately?'. If you're not into projecting and following player development with some patience, you need to follow the NBA instead. Because it requires that from a college BB fan following a team that's not in the elite 5 or 10 in the country.
 


UncleHawk said:
Good points ST. Most fans seem to look at the value of players in terms of 'what have you done for me lately?'. If you're not into projecting and following player development with some patience, you need to follow the NBA instead. Because it requires that from a college BB fan following a team that's not in the elite 5 or 10 in the country.
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How long should we have to suffer Fran's learning curve?
 






hawkfan33 said:
Suffer? I've enjoyed the last two basketball seasons more than any since Brunner and Horner's last year. And the future looks even brighter, if this is suffering then sign me up.
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Exactly, but again, Homer compared Fran to Ferentz and Raveling in the same thread a couple weeks ago an dI still can't figure out how.
 


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