Wisconsin Fans Booing Team Down 20 at Half

[NorthKCHawk]

Scared the hell out of me when W hired him. Truth.

Scott Frost was a homerun hire and look how that turned out. It just goes to show you that success at one school doesn't guarantee success at another school. Every situation is different, and fit and a bit of luck are needed to make it work.

Iowa and KF are about the best fit imaginable. You have a hard working, humble, blue collar coach heading up the flagship football program in a rural, agricultural state. You also have a school that expect winning football, but is realistic enough to understand its ceiling and thus, willing to live in the 7-10 wins a season in perpituity. Fit matters.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

Should never have left Cincy

Wisky was the wrong job for him to try flipping an entire culture on. And he was the wrong coach for Wisky to think that he could maintain what they'd been while Chryst was there let alone prior to that. He wasn't going to turn them into PSU. They may have had delusions of grandeur that he could do what Cignetti is going at Indiana.

But that's just nuts and unheard of what Cignetti is doing. A part of me wishes Indiana would fall on their face. Another part of me wishes that they go on to win the whole damn thing. I do enjoy the chaos of it and how the national guys hate that they did what they did last yr.

Wisky is as much of a cautionary tale of what the post KF yrs could be like for us as Nebraska is. One bad HC hire can dig a hole that's tough to get out of. The only saving grace to it is with how fast rosters can turn over the right coach can put you in a great spot pretty fast. But good luck getting him

 

[haydensly]

Wisky was the wrong job for him to try flipping an entire culture on. And he was the wrong coach for Wisky to think that he could maintain what they'd been while Chryst was there let alone prior to that. He wasn't going to turn them into PSU. They may have had delusions of grandeur that he could do what Cignetti is going at Indiana.

But that's just nuts and unheard of what Cignetti is doing. A part of me wishes Indiana would fall on their face. Another part of me wishes that they go on to win the whole damn thing. I do enjoy the chaos of it and how the national guys hate that they did what they did last yr.

Wisky is as much of a cautionary tale of what the post KF yrs could be like for us as Nebraska is. One bad HC hire can dig a hole that's tough to get out of. The only saving grace to it is with how fast rosters can turn over the right coach can put you in a great spot pretty fast. But good luck getting him

The whole idea of moving off of Chryst was to "take the next step forward" and modernize the offense. They went out and got what they thought would do that; the culture change was what they wanted. Fickell brought in a pass happy offensive coordinator and that failed miserably. He was fired by the middle of last year. This whole thing reminds me of Bowlsby moving off of Tom Davis because everyone wanted to take the next step. It just doesn't work out as clean as hoped a lot of times.

What Cignetti is doing is rare. It's hard to come from a lower level and be competitive right away and do it at such a high level. Lance Leopold at Kansas is another one that comes to mind but there are probably 10-20 failures for those two exceptions.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

Maryland was throwing into deep zone pockets. Some of the harder throws you can make. MD is dangerous.

It's all because of Brian Ferentz.

 

[Grady]

Didn’t watch any of the game but I was sure that I had heard they were favored by two touchdowns.

12.5 pt favorites. I thought it was an unusually large spread, but nobody really knew if Maryland was decent or not -- they typically collapse once the BTen season starts.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

I'm sure they wish they had this man back!

 

[Hawkfnntn]

The whole idea of moving off of Chryst was to "take the next step forward" and modernize the offense. They went out and got what they thought would do that; the culture chance was what they wanted. Fickell brought in a pass happy offensive coordinator and that failed miserably. He was fired by the middle of last year. This whole thing reminds me of Bowlsby moving off of Tom Davis because everyone wanted to take the next step. It just doesn't work out as clean as hoped a lot of times.

What Cignetti is doing is rare. It's hard to come from a lower level and be competitive right away and do it at such a high level. Lance Leopold at Kansas is another one that comes to mind but there are probably 10-20 failures for those two exceptions.

The word unprecedented gets thrown around a lot but that's the word that comes to mind about the job he's been doing. When you consider the dumpster fire that was Indiana before he got there. What if they blow us out in Kinnick (God I hope I didn't just jinx that into existence) and go on to upset the playoff applecart again and make a run? Good grief.

 

[HawkPowerlifter]

The word unprecedented gets thrown around a lot but that's the word that comes to mind about the job he's been doing. When you consider the dumpster fire that was Indiana before he got there. What if they blow us out in Kinnick (God I hope I didn't just jinx that into existence) and go on to upset the playoff applecart again and make a run? Good grief.

Nothing surprises me anymore in the new landscape of the NIL. I think Indiana boosters opened up the checkbooks for Cignetti. You get success and the type of success he had his first year, it changes recruiting and so forth.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

Nothing surprises me anymore in the new landscape of the NIL. I think Indiana boosters opened up the checkbooks for Cignetti. You get success and the type of success he had his first year, it changes recruiting and so forth.

Yeah I'm not sure if it's just the $ or not but every button he's pushed when it's come to bringing in transfers has been a homerun. This yrs team isn't last yrs team either. It's pretty wild. Mendoza is ridiculous he was pretty good at Cal last yr and look what he's doing. 3 incompletions in 2 games 10 Tds... Like what even is that like?

 

[Hawkfnntn]

The whole idea of moving off of Chryst was to "take the next step forward" and modernize the offense. They went out and got what they thought would do that; the culture change was what they wanted. Fickell brought in a pass happy offensive coordinator and that failed miserably. He was fired by the middle of last year. This whole thing reminds me of Bowlsby moving off of Tom Davis because everyone wanted to take the next step. It just doesn't work out as clean as hoped a lot of times.

What Cignetti is doing is rare. It's hard to come from a lower level and be competitive right away and do it at such a high level. Lance Leopold at Kansas is another one that comes to mind but there are probably 10-20 failures for those two exceptions.

They get points for being bold but that's about it. That's a pretty big risk to be taking. I could be wrong but I don't think their fans had the stomach for a complete 180 of their culture being changed up. Yeah they wanted to modernize their O hell we did/do too. But whatever part of our fanbase wants that isn't about to totally upend what we have to do it either.

I would suspect the AD will have a short shelf life along side Fickel. ADs can have longer leashes then coaches but if you're gonna be that bold then you better be closer to being right then they've been. Many took one look at this schedule they had this yr and said they aren't going bowling and will be a pretty bad team. And baring significant improvement that's what they're gonna be.

 

[ICHawk24]

Not only did they hire Fickell to change the culture (which is odd at a place that had a couple decades of great success with that culture), but he hired Phil Longo to be his OC, a guy he had never worked with before. To implement an offense that didn't fit the roster.

Way too many moving parts, and it failed. Not surprising.

 

[NorthKCHawk]

Nothing surprises me anymore in the new landscape of the NIL. I think Indiana boosters opened up the checkbooks for Cignetti. You get success and the type of success he had his first year, it changes recruiting and so forth.

They really didn't. Not last year anyway. He brought a lot of guys with him from JM, blended with some holdovers, and then brought in some overlooked talent from the portal. He then coached them up and took advantage of an incredibly soft schedule. Last year's success was not the product of NIL. It was great player development and system.

Now, this season, he has attracted some better talent in the portal, and I am sure the boosters have opened the check books wider given last season. But again, I think it does a disservice to what Cig did last year to suggest he bought a great team. He cobbled together and coached up a team that overachieved.

This is why I am so excited about Iowa MBB. What Cig did at Indiana last year is what McCollum did at Drake in MBB last year. And now, he is trying to do the same thing at Iowa this year. Some coaches have the rare combination of talents of being able to spot underrecruited players that fit their system and then develop them into winners. I think Cig and Mac are cut from that same cloth.

 

[Fryowa]

Fans aren’t always right but when that many people are upset, something has to be done. It was loud booing and chanting

Yeah when it gets to that point you know it's not going to end well for the HC and it normally doesn't take long.

 

[HawkPowerlifter]

They really didn't. Not last year anyway. He brought a lot of guys with him from JM, blended with some holdovers, and then brought in some overlooked talent from the portal. He then coached them up and took advantage of an incredibly soft schedule. Last year's success was not the product of NIL. It was great player development and system.

Now, this season, he has attracted some better talent in the portal, and I am sure the boosters have opened the check books wider given last season. But again, I think it does a disservice to what Cig did last year to suggest he bought a great team. He cobbled together and coached up a team that overachieved.

This is why I am so excited about Iowa MBB. What Cig did at Indiana last year is what McCollum did at Drake in MBB last year. And now, he is trying to do the same thing at Iowa this year. Some coaches have the rare combination of talents of being able to spot underrecruited players that fit their system and then develop them into winners. I think Cig and Mac are cut from that same cloth.

He definitely doesn't mince words. Low key swagger and doesn't mind throwing in a little smack talk. I think that type of mentality definitely is transferred onto his staff and players. You see a coach conveying that confidence, today's players get behind that.