William Lowe files Rhabdo lawsuit

[hawkdrummer1]

Good point, people should be doormats. The people in charge should be able to wrong whoever they goddamn please whenever they goddamn please. If William Lowe was a real American he should have grown some balls and been a starter. If William Lowe was a real American he definitely wouldn't have gotten Rhabdo. Only goddamn women and children get Rhabdo.

Ya didn't see the goddamn Injins file a lawsuit when we marched em' down the trail of Tears. Goddamn youth these days. Pussification of America.

Decaf, my man. Decaf

 

[nationalchamps]

Good point, people should be doormats. The people in charge should be able to wrong whoever they goddamn please whenever they goddamn please. If William Lowe was a real American he should have grown some balls and been a starter. If William Lowe was a real American he definitely wouldn't have gotten Rhabdo. Only goddamn women and children get Rhabdo.

Ya didn't see the goddamn Injins file a lawsuit when we marched em' down the trail of Tears. Goddamn youth these days. Pussification of America.

I hate dogs.

 

[Jjgoiowa11]

When you sign up to play sports, you sign a lengthy waiver promising not to sue the promoters and school if you get injured during your participation in these sports. Of course, as a policy matter the court system will not let someone hide behind a waiver in a case of gross negligence or intentional malfeasance. I don't personally think Doyle was grossly negligent here, probably just negligent in failing to realize Ferentz has recruited a bunch of pantywaists who couldn't handle the workout that guys a few years prior could handle.

#twerq'd

 

[gnich62]

...Ferentz has recruited a bunch of pantywaists who couldn't handle...

 

[CP87]

Much of the information regarding the case is available for public consumption. It was published as a case report in 2013:

A cluster of exertional rhabdomyolysis affe... [Clin J Sport Med. 2013] - PubMed - NCBI

(might not be able to access the link or full-text if not on the UIowa system).

The coaches had never done a similar workout coming off a break before. Two of the rhabdo cases had actually performed the workout at a prior date, without experiencing exertional rhabdomyolysis.

They also planned 50%max off the pre-season max, not the current max (max will obviously be down after a break).

Only 2 of affected players consumed creatine prior to workout.

Consuming protein shakes after the workout was associated with a lower risk of rhabdo.

Skilled players were much more likely to be affected, and players lifting a larger % of their body weight (i.e. stronger players) were more likely to be affected.

Almost all of the affected players actually finished the workout. One player was told to quit by the coaches because his form was breaking down.

 

[gohawkz]

Dehydration combined with a very intense workout. There was a rumor that a lot of the players partied the night before the workout. Which if this is true could certainly help explain the abnormal level of dehydration. I have no idea if that was true or not though.

Water sustains muscle tissue. If you are working out and you are dehydrated then your body can start to break down muscle tissue and consume it in order to survive. That's basically what happened. Their dehydration levels, combined with an extremely intense workout caused their bodies to start breaking down and eating it's own muscle tissue. Obviously not a good thing. When muscle tissue breaks down it releases muscle fibers (myoglobin) into the bloodstream. Your blood is filtered through your kidneys, and when this muscle fiber is in the bloodstream it can be very harmful to the kidneys and result in kidney damage. That's why the players said their pee was dark. They were seeing the myoglobin in their urine.

If he did indeed party the night before then he is to blame and should never have been playing division one sports...So many people would give anything to play football at a Big Ten school like Iowa, when I see people **** on that opportunity it makes me sick.

 

[longtimer]

The one thing I have never fully understood. What was the purpose of the extreme workout? Was it meant to send some kind of a message? As i understood its a workout that was done infrequently. So why do it?

 

[NCHawker]

Every Ferentz team that went to a BCS game was successfully able to complete this workout.

and?

 

[MeatMan]

good God, still so much misinformation out there. there definitely was negligence on the side of the coaching staff. i wrote a blog post about it, you can read it if you like.

http://www.hawkeyenation.com/forum/blogs/meatman/286-rhabdo.html

here's a quick summary:

1) It was coming off a down period, where kids hadn't been lifting.
2) It was a type of workout that they had done before, but certainly not every year, and never at the start of a training period.
3) It is questionable, though not provable, that some of the kids may have been on supplements during the down period. And while that doesn't mean they were doing anything shady, it does mean that they could have been much more susceptible, or been taking supplements that were of low quality.
4) The workout itself was widely condemned by the Strength Coaches associations, with some qualified individuals equating it with ignorance of the science or negligence.

also: 1 in 4 will develop long term liver damage. maybe he's showing signs that he will eventually need a liver transplant. pretty serious stuff, so let's not throw the kid under the bus, mmmkay?

 

[DP5555]

good God, still so much misinformation out there. there definitely was negligence on the side of the coaching staff. i wrote a blog post about it, you can read it if you like.

http://www.hawkeyenation.com/forum/blogs/meatman/286-rhabdo.html

here's a quick summary:

1) It was coming off a down period, where kids hadn't been lifting.
2) It was a type of workout that they had done before, but certainly not every year, and never at the start of a training period.
3) It is questionable, though not provable, that some of the kids may have been on supplements during the down period. And while that doesn't mean they were doing anything shady, it does mean that they could have been much more susceptible, or been taking supplements that were of low quality.
4) The workout itself was widely condemned by the Strength Coaches associations, with some qualified individuals equating it with ignorance of the science or negligence.

also: 1 in 4 will develop long term liver damage. maybe he's showing signs that he will eventually need a liver transplant. pretty serious stuff, so let's not throw the kid under the bus, mmmkay?

I haven't seen anyone throwing him under the bus MeatMan. No one knows the extent of damage that was done to his body. Without knowing that it would be ignorant to make judgments. It is certainly possible that he could have some serious issues as a result of this incident.

 

[David79]

He won't get much out of this.

 

[HawkeyeMike23]

and?

Don't think it's a coincidence that we haven't been close to that level since this happened. You don't become bullies of the big ten by taking it easy in the weight room.

 

[David79]

I think the more interesting question is should college players get help for the effects of injuries they suffered while playing, i.e brain injuries, etc. The players forming a union if successful could definitely help with this

 

[MeatMan]

Don't think it's a coincidence that we haven't been close to that level since this happened. You don't become bullies of the big ten by taking it easy in the weight room.

didn't Prater and Bernstine get rhabdo too? would you call them pansies?

again, you're missing a lot of info in jumping to that conclusion. i suggest you do some research first.

 

[MeatMan]

I haven't seen anyone throwing him under the bus MeatMan. No one knows the extent of damage that was done to his body. Without knowing that it would be ignorant to make judgments. It is certainly possible that he could have some serious issues as a result of this incident.

seems like a lot of folks in this thread (some trolling) are implying that he's just looking for a huge payday. he might, but i'm more than willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one.

 

[HawkeyeMike23]

didn't Prater and Bernstine get rhabdo too? would you call them pansies?again, you're missing a lot of info in jumping to that conclusion. i suggest you do some research first.

Calm down chief, I'm not really serious about thinking that's the reason we haven't gotten back to the bcs.

 

[MeatMan]

Calm down chief, I'm not really serious about thinking that's the reason we haven't gotten back to the bcs.

was wondering if you were just trolling.

 

[Billso]

Don't think it's a coincidence that we haven't been close to that level since this happened. You don't become bullies of the big ten by taking it easy in the weight room.

And there it is again. Another post claiming, with zero backup, that the Iowa strength regimen has changed in any significant way post-incident (other than avoiding the particular workout associated with rhabdo, which was rarely done anyway).

Any player reading this is laughing out loud at the notion of Doyle "taking it easy" with athletes.

 

[thetrza]

Would Ferentz holding a press conference and giving Doyle an Assistant of the Year Award or whatever a few weeks later, complete with a press conference with the usual eyeball rolls, shrugs and Belichik-ian answers have had an effect on any of the kids?

CLIVE — Kirk Ferentz first got the idea in late January. The topic was the inaugural assistant coach of the year award.

You know where this is headed.

Iowa became immersed in the aftermath of the rhabdomyolysis outbreak that sent 13 players to the University of Iowa Hospitals and Clinics after a strenuous workout in late January.

The outbreak, which a UI investigation later concluded had no root cause, happened under the watch of strength and conditioning coach Chris Doyle, who bore the brunt of the waves of national criticism.

Tuesday night, Ferentz said a lot of the lessons players learn start with the strength and conditioning program and then announced to the Polk County I-Club that Doyle was Iowa’s most valuable coach of the year.

Doyle, who declined an interview request, accepted to a standing ovation and loud cheers. He also spoke publiclly for the first time since the rhabdo outbreak.

Read more: Ferentz awards Doyle assistant of the year | TheGazette

 

[kicker22]

didn't Prater and Bernstine get rhabdo too? would you call them pansies?

again, you're missing a lot of info in jumping to that conclusion. i suggest you do some research first.

Completely agree. I also don't consider anyone that pushes themselves to the point there body can't naturally recover a pansie. I simply don't understand how anyone that pushes themselves that hard or even continues/finishes that type of a workout is considered a pansie. To me it sounds like a dedicated individual that refuses to quit regardless the fact.